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                <title><![CDATA[List of North Carolina Medicaid Lien Contacts for 2022 To Request Lien Statements for Personal Injury Cases]]></title>
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                <pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2022 21:53:00 GMT</pubDate>
                
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>Hey wait, when did there get to be multiple insurers providing Medicaid benefits!? And who do I contact to get a Medicaid lien? Great questions! Some answers: Back on Feb. 4, 2019, the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services announced the selection of Prepaid Health Plans that will participate in Medicaid managed care&hellip;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Hey wait, when did there get to be multiple insurers providing Medicaid benefits!? And who do I contact to get a Medicaid lien?</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Great questions! Some answers:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Back on Feb. 4, 2019, the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services <a href="https://medicaid.ncdhhs.gov/blog/2019/03/01/managed-care-providers-php-contracts-awarded">announced</a> the selection of Prepaid Health Plans that will participate in Medicaid managed care when the program launches in November 2019. The Department awarded contracts to five entities:</p>



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<li>Statewide PHP contracts were awarded to the following entities which will offer Standard Plans in all regions in North Carolina:
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<li>AmeriHealth Caritas North Carolina, Inc.</li>



<li>Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina</li>



<li>UnitedHealthcare of North Carolina, Inc.</li>



<li>WellCare of North Carolina, Inc.</li>



<li>A regional PHP contract was awarded to Carolina Complete Health, a provider-led entity, which will offer plans in Regions 3 and 5.</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Plaintiff lawyers who represent clients who are Medicaid recipients who have been in car wrecks need to track what these entities pay for medical treatment in order to account for the Medicaid lien and repay the government.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Before this privatization of Medicaid, all of the subrogation has been handled by a group called HMS. Now that the PHPs have come along, we have to request subrogation information from each PHP.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here is a list of the subrogation contacts for the Medicaid PHPs.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-php-medicaid-lien-contact-information">PHP Medicaid Lien Contact Information</h2>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-carolina-complete-health">Carolina Complete Health</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Rawlings Group<br>4 Eden Parkway<br>La Grange, KY 40031<br>Phone:&nbsp;888-285-1276<br>Fax: MANUAL FILE COORDINATOR at 502-440-1100<br>Email:&nbsp;<a href="mailto:CenteneReferrals@rawlingscompany.com">CenteneReferrals@rawlingscompany.com</a></p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-wellcare">WellCare</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Rawlings Group<br>4 Eden Parkway<br>La Grange, KY 40031<br>Phone:&nbsp;888-285-1276<br>Fax: MANUAL FILE COORDINATOR at 502-440-1100<br>Email:&nbsp;<a href="mailto:CenteneReferrals@rawlingscompany.com">CenteneReferrals@rawlingscompany.com</a></p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-healthy-blue">Healthy Blue</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"> P.O. Box 659940<br>San Antonio, TX 78265-9939<br>Phone: 844-916-3651<br>Fax: 844-634-2520<br>Email: <a href="mailto:NCCompliance@healthybluenc.com">NCCompliance@healthybluenc.com</a></p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-amerihealth">AmeriHealth</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Attn: Subrogation Unit<br>200 Stevens Drive<br>Philadelphia, PA 19113<br>Phone:215-863-5837<br>Fax: 215-863-5221<br>Email:&nbsp;<a href="mailto:subrogation@amerihealthcaritas.com">subrogation@amerihealthcaritas.com</a></p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-united-healthcare">United Healthcare</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Optum Subrogation<br>11000 Optum Circle<br>Eden Prairie, MN 55344<br>Fax:&nbsp;800-842-8810<br>Email:&nbsp;<a href="mailto:subrogationreferrals@optum.com">subrogationreferrals@optum.com</a></p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-trillium-www-trilliumnc-org-nbsp">Trillium: www.trilliumnc.org&nbsp;</h3>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Phone: 877-695-1296<br>Email:&nbsp;<a href="mailto:Trillium@gainwelltechnologies.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Trillium@gainwelltechnologies.com</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">_________</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The subrogation providers above are subject to change, but this is the list as of 8/25/2022.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Chris Nichols<br>Nichols Law Firm<br>North Carolina and Raleigh Personal Injury Lawyer</p>
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                <title><![CDATA[Where Do I Find the Medicaid Lien Statute That Allows a Lawyer To Reduce a Medicaid Lien in North Carolina?]]></title>
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>If you find yourself in a situation with a personal injury case in North Carolina where Medicaid is claiming a substantial portion of an already limited insurance settlement, and you need to reduce the Medicaid lien, there is a statutory process to request a reduction hearing. The problem is that it is hard to find&hellip;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you find yourself in a situation with a personal injury case in North Carolina where Medicaid is claiming a substantial portion of an already limited insurance settlement, and you need to reduce the Medicaid lien, there is a statutory process to request a reduction hearing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The problem is that it is hard to find the statute that allows the hearing. The reason for that is that due to some federal law changes, which were eventually reversed, North Carolina law changed, but then the new law was rendered inoperable by the federal law changing back. Sounds complicated, and it is, but <a href="/blog/medicaid-ahlborn-hearings-are-back-thanks-to-the-2018-federal-budget-which-makes-medicaid-provide-li/">this post</a> explains all of that.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The practical issue is this: if you google “NC Medicaid Lien Statute” you will find the 2017 “changed” statute in NC that is no longer good law. What you need is that statute language from before the 2017 changes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That law is from House Bill 982 from 2013. Below is a link to the bill that was signed into law. This is, by way of the federal law changes and the magic of retroactive legal language, the real law on Medicaid liens now.&nbsp;This statute contains the procedure and deadlines you need to successfully challenge a Medicaid lien claim in North Carolina.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills/House/PDF/H982v5.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills/House/PDF/H982v5.pdf</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If you find yourself needing to challenge the lien claim, my office does this work for other lawyers on a case by case basis. So give me a call to discuss.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Chris Nichols<br>www.NicholsTrialLaw.com</p>
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                <title><![CDATA[NCGS 108A-57 Medicaid Lien in NC- Answers to Questions on What Law Applies in 2018]]></title>
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>Friends: This post is an update on an earlier post concerning changes to the law of Medicaid subrogation in North Carolina. The earlier post can be seen here: Medicaid: “Ahlborn hearings” are back thanks to the 2018 federal budget which makes Medicaid provide lien reduction hearings again. But watch the deadlines! Here is the short&hellip;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Friends:</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This post is an update on an earlier post concerning changes to the law of Medicaid subrogation in North Carolina. The earlier post can be seen here: <a href="/blog/medicaid-ahlborn-hearings-are-back-thanks-to-the-2018-federal-budget-which-makes-medicaid-provide-li/">Medicaid: “Ahlborn hearings” are back thanks to the 2018 federal budget which makes Medicaid provide lien reduction hearings again. But watch the deadlines!</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Here is the short version of the history: In 2013 NC amended the law on Medicaid subrogation to allow for a reduction hearing to determine Medicaid’s final lien in a third party injury case. That law stood until October 1 of 2017 when a small change to the Federal law had the effect of making the NC statute inapplicable. In anticipation of the Federal change, NC lawmakers had inserted a law in the July 2017 state budget that said in essence, “if the federal changes happen on October 1, then our law changes to this…”. The new state law <strong>eliminated the reduction hearings</strong> and also eliminated Medicaid sharing prorata with valid medical lien holders.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Then on February 9, 2018, the Federal Budget was passed and it retroactively repealed the changes that went into effect on October 1 in the federal law. In my opinion, this had the effect of essentially time traveling back to the last day of September, 2017 and making the October 1 federal changes never happen. Which means, of course, that the NC changes conditioned on the Federal changes, never happened either.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The end result is that as of February 8, 2018, the Medicaid lien law in NC was back to the statute that existed since 2013. Or at least that’s what i thought.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">That leads me to now. I filed a declaratory judgment suit and motion to determine Medicaid lien in March of 2018 to request a Medicaid lien reduction under the 2013 NC law. In the Compliant I set out all of the changes described above and that the law of NC had “reverted” to the pre-October 1, 2018 law.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The State of North Carolina filed an Answer to the complaint an unequivocally Admitted all of the following allegations in the Complaint.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Long story short, my legal theory set out above is correct.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Below are the legal allegations in the Complaint.</p>



<h2 id="h-jurisdiction-venue-and-governing-law" class="wp-block-heading">Jurisdiction, Venue, and Governing Law</h2>



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<li>This Court has subject matter jurisdiction over this action pursuant to N.C. Gen. Stat. §7A-240 and §7A-243. This Court has personal jurisdiction in this matter pursuant to N.C. Gen. Stat. §1-75.4.</li>



<li>Venue is properly laid in this Court pursuant to N.C. Gen. Stat. §1-80 and §1-82.</li>



<li>That NCGS §108A-57 governs Medicaid lien recovery in North Carolina.</li>



<li>That NCGS §108A-57 was written, in part, to comply with the requirements set out in Wos v. E.M.A., __ U.S. __, 133 S. Ct. 1391, 1402 (2013) which affirmed that Arkansas Dept. of Health and Human Servs. v. Ahlborn, 547 U.S. 268, 284, 126 S. Ct. 1752 (2006) applied in North Carolina. Ahlborn established that the Department of Health and Human Services is prohibited from recovering “a portion of a Medicaid beneficiary’s tort judgment or settlement not designated as payments for medical care” because such recovery is barred by the federal Medicaid statute’s anti-lien provision, 42 U.S.C. § 1396p(a)(1).</li>



<li>That NCGS §108A-57(a2) provides a mechanism for a determination of the portion of the beneficiary’s gross recovery that represents compensation for the Medicaid claim and requires that an application for determining the lien under this subsection shall be filed with the court “no later than 30 days after the date that the settlement agreement is executed by all parties and, if required, approved by the court.”</li>



<li>That on October 1, 2017, NCGS §108A-57, was amended pursuant to NC Senate Bill 257. The amendment, which was conditioned upon changes to federal law going into effect the same day, said:<br><br>“SECTION 11H.23.&nbsp;If&nbsp;Section 202(b) of the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013, P.L. 113-67, takes effect on October 1, 2017, as provided in Section 202(c) of that act, as amended by Section 211 of the Protecting Access to Medicare Act of 2014, P.L. 113-93, and Section 220 of the Medicare Access and CHIP Reauthorization Act of 2015, P.L. 114-10,&nbsp;then&nbsp;G.S. 108A-57 reads as rewritten…”<br></li>



<li>On October 1, 2017, the changes to the federal law went into effect which triggered the changes to North Carolina law, eliminating procedure to request a court for the determination of a medicaid lien pursuant to NCGS §108A-57(a2).</li>



<li>On February 9, the United States Congress passed, and the President signed, H.R.1892 – Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018, which contained “SEC. 53102.&nbsp;THIRD PARTY LIABILITY IN MEDICAID AND CHIP”.</li>



<li>SEC. 53102 of H.R.1892, the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018, repealed subsection (b) of&nbsp;section 202 of the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013. The repeal stated that it “includ[es]any amendments made by such subsection” and the repeal&nbsp;“shall be applied and administered&nbsp;as if such amendments&nbsp;had never been enacted.”</li>



<li>The effect of all of these statutory changes on February 9, 2018 was that because the federal changes “had never been enacted” the changes to NCGS §108A-57 set out in NC Senate Bill 257 never took effect and the provisions of NCGS §108A-57(a2) allowing for judicial determination of Medicaid’s lien came back into existence on February 9, 2018.</li>



<li>That any matter settled between October 1, 2017 and February 9, 2018, could not apply for a lien determination during that time period and that NC DHHS properly refused to grant requests for reductions during that time frame.</li>



<li>That Plaintiff’s Workers’ Compensation case was approved for settlement in an Order of the Industrial Commission in IC. File No. Y26729 filed on January 24, 2018.</li>



<li>That upon the reinstatement of NCGS §108A-57(a2) on February 9, 2018, cases settled during the October 1, 2017 through February 9, 2018 period should have 30 days to file for hearings pursuant to NCGS §108A-57(a2) and that the first day they could request such hearing was February 9, 2018.</li>



<li>That Plaintiff in this matter has filed for this hearing pursuant to NCGS §108A-57(a2) within 30 days of February 9, 2018 and has satisfied the filing requirements of NCGS §108A-57(a2).</li>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Again, all those allegations were ADMITTED by the State.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This should settle the question of what law applies now. I will also point out that the website for the General Assembly is still displaying the “new” (but incorrect) NCGS 108A-57. You can view the “old” (but now the current) NCGS 108A-57 in the body of the budget bill, Senate Bill 257 (2017) beginning at the very bottom of page 222 and continuing on to 223. All of the “repealed” portions in that Bill are now law again. Here is the link- go to page 222 or do a search for “subrogation” within the PDF. <a href="http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2017/Bills/Senate/PDF/S257v9.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2017/Bills/Senate/PDF/S257v9.pdf</a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">My firm is now taking in limited numbers of Medicaid reduction cases for other lawyers. Make sure you remember that you only have 30 days to file and serve your Motion to Reduce Medicaid lien beginning on the date that the client settles the case (signs the Release of Claims or a court approves a settlement).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Feel free to email me or call me if you have matter you think might qualify for a reduction.&nbsp;</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Chris Nichols<br><a href="http://www.NicholsTrialLaw.com">www.NicholsTrialLaw.com</a><br>Chris@NicholsTrialLaw.com</p>
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>People! Do not let the statute of limitations slip past on your personal injury cases in North Carolina.&nbsp; I’ve had three calls this week from people who did not have lawyers and who waited until the last second, or past the last second, to call for advice. None of these calls ended on a happy&hellip;</p>
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<p><strong>People! Do not let the statute of limitations slip past on your personal injury cases in North Carolina.&nbsp;</strong> I’ve had three calls this week from people who did not have lawyers and who waited until the last second, or past the last second, to call for advice. None of these calls ended on a happy note.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-in-nc-you-have-three-years-to-settle-or-file-a-lawsuit-for-personal-injury-but-not-death-that-s-two-years">In NC you have three years to settle or file a lawsuit for personal injury (but not death, that’s two years)</h2>



<p>In North Carolina you have three years to either settle a personal injury case or file a lawsuit. I did not say “file a claim.” I did not say “talk with an insurance adjuster”. I did not say “be in the middle of negotiations.”</p>



<p>On the third anniversary of your car wreck, you either need to have a settlement worked out, in writing and agree upon by the insurance adjuster and you, or you need to file an actual lawsuit in a court of law in NC.</p>



<p>If you are still negotiating with that adjuster at midnight on the third anniversary of your car wreck, you can never get anything for your claim. The next minutes that adjuster will say “Sorry, your statute of limitations ran, you have no claim.” And so you ask, “Wouldn’t the insurance company tell me that my time is running out?” The answer is NO. In fact, I’ve seen situations where the insurance adjusters actively seek to delay the settlement.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-the-wrongful-death-statute-in-north-carolina-has-a-two-year-statute-of-limitations">The wrongful death statute in North Carolina has a two year statute of limitations</h2>



<p>If the car wreck resulted in a death, or wrongful death in North Carolina, the time limit is TWO YEARS. Also, to sue for the wrongful death of a loved one, there must be an Estate set up in the name of the deceased and an Administrator or Executor must actually be the party that sues. Cases like that look like this:</p>



<p>The Estate of John Doe, Susan Doe, Administrator V. Big Truck Company, LLC&nbsp;</p>



<p>Setting up an Estate takes time. And even though there may be one type of Estate set up, it might not be the right type to bring a wrongful death claim.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-i-think-i-get-this-statute-stuff-do-i-have-to-have-a-lawyer">I think I get this statute stuff, do I have to have a lawyer?</h2>



<p>Not every case needs a lawyer. Really, a lawyer just told you that. I talk to a lot of people on the phone, give them a few pointers and send them on their way. It’s sometimes a good idea to settle your own case when it is simple and small. But complicated cases probably need lawyers. So it’s always a good idea to call a lawyer like me, and ask.</p>



<p>But really, if you call me on the day that your statute of limitations is about to run out, there is a 95% chance that I will not be able to save you and your case. Lawyers can not send an email to the court to file a lawsuit. It sometimes takes days to draft the paperwork. We have to find the Defendant and make sure we can serve them with papers. We need to see police reports. This takes time.</p>



<p>In law we frequently abbreviate Statute of Limitation as SOL. And if you miss one, you are SOL on your SOL.&nbsp;</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-when-is-the-latest-you-should-call-a-lawyer-for-a-personal-injury-case">When is the latest you should call a lawyer for a personal injury case?</h2>



<p>I would say that the latest that I would get in touch would be six months before the statute runs out. Put another way, two and half years after the accident for personal injury and one and a half years for wrongful death. That gives the lawyer time to gather your medical records, talk to experts, file the lawsuit, and get it served on the defendant. You see, even though the insurance company pays the claim, the other driver is the one who gets named in the lawsuit. So it’s not as easy as my office sending a letter to State Farm. We actually have to send the Sheriff or a certified letter to someone so they can be “served.”<br><br>If you waited past two and half years, you should still call for advice. Just know that a lot of lawyers don’t like taking cases that close to the statute of limitations.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-what-about-children-or-kids-how-long-do-minors-have-to-settle-their-personal-injury-claims-or-file-a-lawsuit">What about children or kids? How long do minors have to settle their personal injury claims or file a lawsuit?</h2>



<p>In NC, a minor is anyone under age 18. Minor’s statute of limitations work differently than adults. A minor’s statute does not BEGIN to run until they are age 18. Then it runs the normal 3 years for personal injury. Crazy, right? So if you are in a car accident at age 2, you will have until your 21st birthday to settle the claim or file a lawsuit! This is also true for other injury claims, like sexual abuse.</p>



<p>But there is a catch…. (there is always a catch, right?). The catch is this: In North Carolina, the medical bills for an injured minor (anyone under age 18) “belong” to the mom, dad, or legal guardian of the minor. What does that mean? It means that because a minor can’t sign a contract, when a minor goes to the hospital or doctor and has a bill for services, that bill is actually the parent or guardian’s bill. Don’t pay it? The parent or guardian gets sued by the hospital, not the minor.</p>



<p>So what’s the catch? Well, the catch is this- in the example above where the two year old gets hurt in a car wreck, let’s assume the medical bills are $50,000. Three years from the date of the wreck, the parent/guardian’s statute of limitations to sue for those medical bills expires. So on 3 years +1 day, the minor can still sue for pain and suffering and other economic wages, but NOT for past medical expenses.</p>



<p>But, there is a catch to the catch! There is a way for the parents to assign the claim for medical bills to the minor child so that those medical bills become part of the claim for the minor that does not run out until age 21. This can be tricky and I recommend lawyer supervision to deal with this. The good news is that it can be done quickly, so if you are reading this on the 2 year 364th day of the anniversary of an injury to a minor, it might not be too late to fix that problem. Call me!</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-heartbreaker">Heartbreaker</h2>



<p>I spoke to someone today who told me that the adjuster was discussing her case with her one day before her three year statute of limitations. She even asked if that was going to be a problem and the adjuster said “you have an open file claim.” That made the person feel good, even though it was a meaningless phrase.</p>



<p>When she called the day after the 3 year anniversary of her accident, the adjuster said “sorry, you didn’t file a lawsuit in time, you have no claim.”</p>



<p>No, she can’t sue him for that. Adjusters work for the driver that hit you! Their job is to pay you the least amount of money possible. That’s what they get paid to do. Not all of them are this heartless, some would warn you to get a lawyer or file a law suit. A lot of them are very good people. But consumers don’t really have the information or ability to decide who is who.</p>



<p>I had to tell this fine person that she no longer had a claim. It was a heartbreaker.</p>



<p>So if you’ve been waiting, even if you are still being treated for injuries, please call me or another lawyer and just get some advice (free and over the phone) on your time limits and whether you even need a lawyer. I’ve been doing this (looks at watch) for 23 years now, so I’ve probably handled a case like yours before. Let’s talk.</p>



<p>Chris Nichols, Attorney<br>800-906-5984</p>
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<p>I’ll put the most important thing first, then explain it. This is just my opinion, and applies only to North Carolina law, but since deadlines may be running, I wanted to get it out there.</p>



<p><strong>If you settled a case (by minor settlement, signed release, or Industrial Commission approval) in which Medicaid claimed a lien, between October 1, 2017 and February 9, 2018, you have 30 days from February 9 to file a motion in Superior or District court to seek a reduction of the lien under&nbsp;</strong><a href="https://www.ncleg.net/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_108a/gs_108a-57.html">NCGS 108A-57</a><strong>. 30 days runs on the weekend of March 10-11, so calendar that for</strong>&nbsp;Friday March 9, 2018(unless you want to play chicken with the weekend rule).&nbsp;Example: You settled a claim on October 15, 2017 that had a Medicaid lien that exceeded 1/3 of the settlement. You paid Medicaid 1/3 of their lien (or held the money) because there was no longer a statutory mechanism to reduce the lien. You now have until March 9, 2018 to file a motion to reduce Medicaid’s lien.</p>



<p><strong>Let’s define “settled” since that is the event that triggers the 30 day time limit to file the motion. Medicaid defines “settled” as:</strong></p>



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<li>The date upon which all parties execute a full Release of Claims; or,</li>



<li>For a minor, the date upon which the settlement is approved in a minor settlement hearing; or,</li>



<li>For a case in litigation that is tried, the date upon which Judgment is entered, or,</li>



<li>For a Workers Compensation case, the date upon which the Clincher is approved<strong>.</strong></li>
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<p>In addition to cases “Settled” during the period of October 1, 2017 and February 9, 2018, if you had a claim that settled up to 29 days before October 1, 2017, you may still have time to file for the lien reduction. I can’t tell you if you get only the remaining time you had left as of October 1, 2017, or if you get until March 9, 2018. Play it safe and choose the shorter time and file. Example: You settled a claim on September 15, 2017. Your 30 day window to file a motion for reduction would have run on Sunday, October 15, 2017. But because federal law and state law changed on October 1, 2017, you could not file for a hearing. I think, in the most conservative view, you now have the remainder of the time you would have had after and including October 1. And that remaining time begins to run again starting February 9, 2018. October 1 to October 15 is 15 days. February 9, 2018 plus 15 days is Saturday, February 24, 2018. You would need to FILE the motion before February 24, 2018. Think of it as a statute of limitations which is stayed because a person goes into a coma and becomes incompetent, but then they regain consciousness 5 months later and the statute starts ticking again where it left off.</p>



<p>Below I set out the history on this and then pose some questions you might have. Pay attention to the part where we discuss what happens if you paid Medicaid from October 1, 2017 until February 9, 2018. You may have an obligation to ask for a refund.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-how-did-this-get-so-screwed-up-and-what-s-medicaid-subrogation">How did this get so screwed up, and what’s Medicaid subrogation?</h2>



<p>Up until 2006, the law was clear that NC Medicaid was entitled to 100% of their lien, not to exceed 1/3 of a settlement, prorated with medical providers who had valid liens.</p>



<p>In 2006, SCOTUS ruled in&nbsp;<em><a href="https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/547/268/">Arkansas v. Ahlborn</a></em>&nbsp;that state medicaid subrogation statutes could not just set a percentage recovery of the settlement as the amount of subrogation and ingnore the relationship between the gross settlement, the client’s recovery and the amount claimed in the medicaid lien. Ahlborn said states had to allow for a hearing mechanism for courts to set the lien in light of the recovery amount and how much of the recovery was for medical treatment as a proportion to the whole recovery. Most states revised their Medicaid subrogation statues in 2006 and started to allow hearings to reduce Medicaid recovery. They called them “Ahlborn hearings.”</p>



<p>North Carolina did NOT follow Ahlborn. Much to everyone’s frustration.</p>



<p>Several lawyers in NC challenged Medicaid’s refusal to follow SCOTUS’ ruling in Ahlborn. All of the state actions challenging Medicaid’s refusal failed in our appellate courts.</p>



<p>Then in April of 2013 SCOTUS issued an opinion in&nbsp;<a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/delia-v-e-m-a/">Wos v. E.M.A.</a>, upholding a 4th Circuit opinion (coming from North Carolina), and declaring that the North Carolina medicaid lien statute was in violation of the court’s ruling Ahlborn. By July of 2013, NCAJ had negotiated changes to the Medicaid lien statute to bring it into compliance with Wos and Ahlborn and provide a statutory mechanism to request a lien reduction hearing. Those hearings need to be requested (i.e., filed with a court) within 30 days of the settlement (defined by the signing of a Release or a minor settlement or Industrial Commission approval). This is the statute that was passed: <a href="http://www.ncleg.net/enactedlegislation/statutes/html/bysection/chapter_108a/gs_108a-57.html">NCGS 108A-57</a></p>



<p>Finally, NC was compliant with Ahlborn and the few others states that ignored Ahlborn were changing too. Meanhwile, in December of 2013, Congress was battling with President Obama to pass the first budget in years. In October of that year, Congress allowed the government to shut down for 16 days until they passed a temporary continuing funding resolution. On December 26, 2013, Congress (to the surprise of many) passed the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013. Not until after it was signed into law did anyone notice this section:</p>



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<p><strong>SEC. 202. STRENGTHENING MEDICAID THIRD-PARTY LIABILITY.</strong></p>



<p>(b) RECOVERY OF MEDICAID EXPENDITURES FROM BENEFICIARY</p>



<p>LIABILITY SETTLEMENTS.—&nbsp;(1) STATE PLAN REQUIREMENTS.—Section 1902(a)(25) of the&nbsp;Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1396a(a)(25)) is amended—&nbsp;(A) in subparagraph (B), by striking ‘‘to the extent&nbsp;of such legal liability’’; and&nbsp;(B) in subparagraph (H), by striking ‘‘payment by any&nbsp;other party for such health care items or services’’ and&nbsp;inserting ‘‘any payments by such third party’’.&nbsp;(2) ASSIGNMENT OF RIGHTS OF PAYMENT.—Section&nbsp;1912(a)(1)(A) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1396k(a)(1)(A)) is amended&nbsp;by striking ‘‘payment for medical care from any third party’’&nbsp;and inserting ‘‘any payment from a third party that has a&nbsp;legal liability to pay for care and services available under&nbsp;the plan’’.(3) LIENS.—Section 1917(a)(1)(A) of such Act (42 U.S.C.&nbsp;1396p(a)(1)(A)) is amended to read as follows:&nbsp;‘‘(A) pursuant to—&nbsp;‘‘(i) the judgment of a court on account of benefits&nbsp;incorrectly paid on behalf of such individual, or‘‘(ii) rights acquired by or assigned to the State in&nbsp;accordance with section 1902(a)(25)(H) or section&nbsp;1912(a)(1)(A), or’’.EFFECTIVE&nbsp;DATE.—The&nbsp;amendments made by this section shall take effect on October 1, 2014.</p>
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<p>The very small change to the subrogation language in federal law had the effect of rendering Ahlborn and Wos moot as both cases depended on the specific language which said “payment by any other party for such health care items or services” and “payment for medical care from any third party” as the basis for the court’s reasoning that Medicaid must, for lack of a better term, prorate settlement funds with the victim of negligence.</p>



<p>I called several members of Congress and found out that the provisions had been slipped in at the last minute and had been pushed by private third-party subrogation companies like Rawlings and HMS who are contractors for many state Medicaid offices. Because these private companies take a percentage of recoveries they recover for the statse, they did not want to have payments to Medicaid (and their profits) lowered in favor of injured victims.</p>



<p>The statute changes did not go into effect until October of 2014, and under pressure from consumer groups, advocates for the disabled, and AAJ, the effective date was pushed to October of 2016. Then as we got closer to October of 2016, it was pushed to October of 2017. Victims of negligence who faced massive injuries with small liability policies were receiving relief from unwieldy Medicaid liens. Injured Plaintiffs could then use those funds to pay for services that Medicaid would not cover for the disabled Plaintiffs. Additionally, Medicaid was still prorating their recovery with valid medical lien holders under NCGS 44-49.</p>



<p>Meanwhile, in 2017, with a new Congress and new President, the North Carolina legislature inserted a change to NCGS 108A-57 in the July 2017 Budget (Senate Bill 257). The changes included a complete re-write of NCGS 108A-57, which eliminated a lien reduction hearing, re-instituted the 1/3 cap on Medicaid recovery (the Plaintiff repaid Medicaid 100% of the lien up to 1/3 of the gross settlement) and the proration with unpaid medical providers with valid liens was eliminated.</p>



<p>This new law only went into effect IF the federal changes from 2013 went into effect on October 1, 2017. The prelude to the change in NC law was a classic “IF/THEN” proposition (highlight added):</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-nc-senate-bill-257">NC Senate Bill 257</h2>



<p><strong>MEDICAID SUBROGATION RIGHTS CONFORMING CHANGES</strong></p>



<p><strong>SECTION 11H.23.</strong>If&nbsp;Section 202(b) of the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013, P.L. 113-67, takes effect on October 1, 2017, as provided in Section 202(c) of that act, as amended by Section 211 of the Protecting Access to Medicare Act of 2014, P.L. 113-93, and Section 220 of the Medicare Access and CHIP Reauthorization Act of 2015, P.L. 114-10,&nbsp;then&nbsp;G.S. 108A-57 reads as rewritten:</p>



<p>“<strong>§ 108A-57. Subrogation rights; withholding of information a misdemeanor.</strong></p>



<p>(a) As used in this section, the term “beneficiary” means (i) the beneficiary of….. (then went on to rewrite the subrogation statute)</p>



<p>Consumer lobbying groups were unable to persuade Congress and HHS to delay the implementation of the October 1, 2017 changes, and therefore NC law changed on October 1, 2017 pursuant to the “IF/THEN” portion of the statute.</p>



<p>Which brings us to February 9, 2017. As many of you will recall, after a brief shut down of the US government from midnight of February 8 to the early hours of February 9, Congress passed and the President signed H.R.1892 – Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018.</p>



<p>Thanks to consumer lobbying by AAJ and other disability advocacy groups, the new federal budget repealed the changes to Medicaid law in the 2013 budget as follows:</p>



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<p><strong>H.R.1892 – BIPARTISAN BUDGET ACT OF 2018</strong></p>



<p><strong>SEC. 53102.&nbsp;THIRD PARTY LIABILITY IN MEDICAID AND CHIP.</strong></p>



<p>(b)&nbsp;Delay In Effective Date And Repeal Of Certain Bipartisan Budget Act Of 2013 Amendments.—</p>



<p>(1)&nbsp;REPEAL.—Effective as of September 30, 2017, subsection (b) of&nbsp;section 202 of the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013&nbsp;(Public Law 113–67; 127 Stat. 1177; 42 U.S.C. 1396a note) (including any amendments made by such subsection)&nbsp;is repealed&nbsp;and the provisions amended by such subsection shall be applied and administered as if such amendments&nbsp;had never been enacted.</p>
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<p>(2)&nbsp;[Does not apply to subrogation]</p>
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<p>(3)&nbsp;EFFECTIVE DATE; TREATMENT.—The repeal and amendment made by this subsection shall take effect as if enacted on September 30, 2017, and&nbsp;shall apply with respect to any open claims, including claims pending, generated, or filed, after such date.&nbsp;The amendments made by subsections (a) and (b) of section 202 of the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013 (Public Law 113–67; 127 Stat. 1177; 42 U.S.C. 1396a note) that took effect on October 1, 2017, are null and void and section 1902(a)(25) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1396a(a)(25)) shall be applied and administered as if such amendments had not taken effect on such date.</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-so-where-does-this-leave-us">So where does this leave us?</h2>



<p>Based upon the language of the&nbsp;Bipartisan Budget Act of 2018, the changes to the key language which vitiated Ahlborn and Wos in 2013 and went into effect on October 1, 2017, are now a nullity. According to the newest federal law, the changes in 2013 were never put into effect on October 1, 2017, because they were repealed on September 30, 2017.</p>



<p>And because&nbsp;Section 202(b) of the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2013, did not take effect on October 1, 2017, there is no change to NCGS 108A-57, the Medicaid subrogation statute.</p>



<p>Which means that 108A-57’s requirements to request a lien reduction hearing are still in effect. NCGS 108A-57requires:</p>



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<p>(a2) A medical assistance beneficiary may dispute the presumptions established in subsection (a1) of this section by applying to the court in which the medical assistance beneficiary’s claim against the third party is pending, or if there is none, then to a court of competent jurisdiction, for a determination of the portion of the beneficiary’s gross recovery that represents compensation for the Medicaid claim.&nbsp;An application under this subsection shall be filed with the court and served on the Department pursuant to the Rules of Civil Procedure no later than 30 days after the date that the settlement agreement is executed by all parties and, if required, approved by the court, or in cases in which judgment has been entered, no later than 30 days after the date of entry of judgment. The court shall hold an evidentiary hearing no sooner than 30 days after the date the action was filed. All of the following shall apply to the court’s determination under this subsection:</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-so-what-is-the-deadline-to-file-for-108a-57-hearings-to-reduce-medicaid-s-lien-for-cases-settled-from-october-1-2017-to-february-9-2018">So what is the deadline to file for 108A-57 hearings to reduce Medicaid’s lien for cases settled from October 1, 2017 to February 9, 2018?</h2>



<p>The way the federal changes were implemented on February 9, 2018 leaves a vacuum from October 1, 2017 until February 9, 2018 for all settlements where Medicaid claimed a lien on settlement proceeds. Obviously, during that time period, a Plaintiff had no statutory mechanism to file for a Medicaid reduction hearing under NCGS 108A-57. So there can be no 30 day time limit to file during those months.</p>



<p>So what happens to Plaintiff cases that settled (by release, minor settlement of Industrial Commission Order) from October 1, 2017 until February 9, 2018?</p>



<p><strong>The only logical conclusion is that the 30 day time limit to file a motion for Medicaid lien determination for cases settled from October 1, 2017 through February 9, 2018, begins on February 9, 2018 and runs 30 days until and including Friday March 9, 2018 (or Monday March 12, 2018 if you want to use the “weekend rule”, but why risk it?).</strong></p>



<p>This means that if you settled a case during that time, you MUST file,”by applying to the court in which the medical assistance beneficiary’s claim against the third party is pending, or if there is none, then to a court of competent jurisdiction, for a determination of the portion of the beneficiary’s gross recovery that represents compensation for the Medicaid claim. An application under this subsection shall be filed with the court and served on the Department pursuant to the Rules of Civil Procedure&nbsp;no later than 30 days after the date that the settlement agreement is executed by all parties and, if required, approved by the court, or in cases in which judgment has been entered, no later than 30 days after the date of entry of judgment.”</p>



<p>Practically, this means you need to file a motion for determination if you have a case pending, and if you don’t, you will need to file a Complaint in the underlying action and include a motion to determine Medicaid’s lien.&nbsp;</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-what-if-i-had-a-case-settle-less-than-30-days-before-october-1-2017-but-i-didn-t-get-a-motion-filed-before-october-1-2017">What if I had a case settle less than 30 days before October 1, 2017, but I didn’t get a motion filed before October 1, 2017?</h2>



<p>I think that the most conservative approach would be that you get whatever time you had left in your 30 day time limit added on beginning February 9, 2018. So if 25 days had gone past from the settlement of your case in September of ’17 when October 1 happened, you would get 5 more days to file, beginning February 9, 2018 and ending February 13 (or maybe 14th depending on how you count it).</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-what-if-i-paid-medicaid-100-or-1-3-of-the-settlement-from-october-1-2017-through-february-9-2018">What if I paid Medicaid 100% or 1/3 of the settlement from October 1, 2017 through February 9, 2018?</h2>



<p>If you paid Medicaid during the “vacuum time” of October 1, 2017 through February 9, 2018, I think you have a 30 day window to request a hearing to have the lien payment evaluated by a court. I would assume that if you convinced the Judge that your client did not need to pay the Medicaid lien 1005 of 1/3 of the settlement, that the Judge could order Medicaid to issue a refund for the overpayment. Also keep in mind that Medicaid now has to pro-rate with unpaid medical providers with valid liens.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-what-if-i-paid-medicaid-100-or-1-3-of-the-settlement-from-october-1-2017-through-february-9-2018-and-i-m-ok-with-the-amount-but-i-wasn-t-able-to-pay-valid-medical-lien-holders-because-medicaid-would-no-pro-rate-under-the-revised-statute-in-effect-at-that-time">What if I paid Medicaid 100% or 1/3 of the settlement from October 1, 2017 through February 9, 2018 and I’m ok with the amount BUT I wasn’t able to pay valid medical lien holders because Medicaid would no pro-rate under the revised statute in effect at that time?</h2>



<p>This is a harder question. Before October 1, 2017, you could tell Medicaid you had valid lien holders, prove that with copies of the liens, and reduce Medicaid’s lien by the prorated amounts of the medical lien holders. You didn’t need a hearing to make Medicaid prorate. It was by operation of law in all scenarios where you pay subrogation:.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-ncgs-108a-57">NCGS 108A-57</h2>



<p>(a5) The medical assistance beneficiary or any attorney retained by the beneficiary shall, out of the proceeds obtained by or on behalf of the beneficiary by settlement with, judgment against, or otherwise from a third party by reason of injury or death, distribute to the Department the amount due pursuant to this section as follows:</p>



<p>(1) If, upon the expiration of the time for filing an application pursuant subsection (a2) of this section, no application has been filed, then the amount presumed pursuant to subsection (a1) of this section,&nbsp;as prorated with the claims of all others having medical subrogation rights or medical liens against the amount received or recovered, shall be paid to the Department within 30 days of the beneficiary’s receipt of the proceeds, in the absence of an agreement pursuant to subsection (a3) of this section.</p>



<p>(2) If an application has been filed pursuant to subsection (a2) of this section and no agreement has been reached pursuant to subsection (a3) of this section, then the Department shall be paid as follows:</p>



<p>a. If the beneficiary rebuts the presumption arising under subsection (a1) of this section, then the amount determined by the court pursuant to subsection (a2) of this section,&nbsp;as prorated with the claims of all others having medical subrogation rights or medical liens against the amount received or recovered, shall be paid to the Department within 30 days of the entry of the court’s order.</p>



<p>b. If the beneficiary fails to rebut the presumption arising under subsection (a1) of this section, then the amount presumed pursuant to subsection (a1) of this section,&nbsp;as prorated with the claims of all others having medical subrogation rights or medical liens&nbsp;against the amount received or recovered, shall be paid to the Department within 30 days of the entry of the court’s order.</p>



<p>(3) If an agreement has been reached pursuant to subsection (a3) of this section, then the agreed amount,&nbsp;as prorated with the claims of all others having medical subrogation rights or medical liens against the amount received or recovered, shall be paid to the Department within 30 days of the execution of the agreement by the medical assistance beneficiary and the Department.</p>



<p>I do not think the 30 day deadline to file a motion applies to this situation if you have already paid Medicaid.</p>



<p>I think you should only have to write a letter to HMS/Medicaid, show them what you paid, prove that there were valid liens when you overpaid Medicaid, and ask that Medicaid refund the portion of the proceeds which should have been paid to valid medical lien holders. I don’t know if Medicaid would want to make that check payable to your client (I’m guessing they will want to do that), or to the medical providers. Then it would be up to you to distribute the funds.</p>



<p>Practically, if you had the valid medical liens during this time, you need to notify your client of the changes in the law and that the client has the option of having you ask Medicaid to make a refund that will be paid toward their unpaid medical balances.</p>



<p><strong>But wait, I paid Medicaid on some liens from October of 2017 until February of 2018. I don’t think those cases needed a lien reduction hearing. Do I HAVE to look back and see if any of those files had valid medical liens that should (had the law allowed at the time) have been prorated with Medicaid?</strong></p>



<p>Do you HAVE to ask for a refund of the (now) overpayment to Medicaid when there were valid medical provider?&nbsp;&nbsp;Probably so.&nbsp;</p>



<p>Why? You have a legal duty pursuant to NCGS 44- 49 and 50, and now an ethical duty, pursuant to&nbsp;<a href="https://www.ncbar.gov/for-lawyers/ethics/adopted-opinions/2017-formal-ethics-opinion-4/">2017 Formal Ethics Opinion 4</a>, to honor valid medical provider liens, regardless of the client’s desires. When you combine your duty to pay a valid medical lien under NCGS 44-49 and 50 with the ethical duty imposed to honor valid legal liens, I think you have to go back and look at any Medicaid payments you made from October 1, 2017 until February 9, 2018.</p>



<p>In summary, this is all great news for Plaintiffs, but we have to watch the potential deadline issues!</p>



<p>Questions? Feel free to email at Chris@NicholsTrialLaw.com<br>Chris Nichols</p>
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>The NC AOC (Administrative Office of the Courts) website is often hard to navigate and because it is open to the general public, can be sparse on the email links. This can make scheduling trials and motions difficult. Here is a link to the names, adresses and emails of the TCAs and TCCs in North&hellip;</p>
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<p>The NC AOC (Administrative Office of the Courts) website is often hard to navigate and because it is open to the general public, can be sparse on the email links.</p>



<p>This can make scheduling trials and motions difficult.</p>



<p>Here is a link to the names, adresses and emails of the TCAs and TCCs in North Carolina:</p>



<p><a href="http://www.nccourts.org/Courts/CRS/Councils/DRC/Documents/MSCCourtContacts.pdf">http://www.nccourts.org/Courts/CRS/Councils/DRC/Documents/MSCCourtContacts.pdf</a></p>



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                <title><![CDATA[Highlights of the New Medicaid Subrogation Lien Statute After Wos v EMA Supreme Court Case]]></title>
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                <pubDate>Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:04:00 GMT</pubDate>
                
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>I’m a little late posting this new statute on my blog because I was so involved in getting the new Medicaid subrogation statute trimmed down and written in a way that it would be workable for trial lawyers. These changes were the result of the US Supreme Court Ruling in Wos v EMA&nbsp;issued March 20,&hellip;</p>
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<p>I’m a little late posting this new statute on my blog because I was so involved in getting the new Medicaid subrogation statute trimmed down and written in a way that it would be workable for trial lawyers. These changes were the result of the US Supreme Court Ruling in <a href="http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/delia-v-e-m-a/">Wos v EMA</a>&nbsp;issued March 20, 2013.</p>



<p>The Governor signed the new bill incorporating the holding of <em>Wos</em> on July 18, 2013. The bill is effective immediately. You can view House Bill 982, in final mark-up version here: <a href="https://wordhtml.com/%20http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2013/Bills/House/PDF/H982v5.pdf">House Bill 982&nbsp;</a></p>



<p>Here are the things we KEPT in the old&nbsp;§ 108A-57. Subrogation rights; withholding of information a misdemeanor:</p>



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<li>Medicaid is still limited to a maximum of 100% of the lien OR One Third (1/3) of the gross settlement.</li>



<li>Medicaid still prorates within their 1/3 with unpaid medical providers asserting liens.</li>



<li>Payment by the lawyer of the 100% or 1/3 of the gross settlement is full and final payment of Medicaid’s lien (but medical lien holders paid pro-rata still get are owed their balances pursuant to <a href="https://wordhtml.com/%20http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_44/GS_44-49.html">NCGS 44-49 and 50</a>. </li>
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<p>Here are the NEW provisions that reflect the Supreme Court’s determination that our previous Medicaid statute was in conflict with Federal law:</p>



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<li>Medicaid recipients can challenge the 1/3 or 100% lien by filing a Petition with a court of competant jurisdiction for “a determination of the portion of the beneficiary’s gross recovery that represents compensation for the Medicaid claim.”</li>



<li>TIMING OF PETITION: Those petitions must be filed within 30 days of all parties signing a settlement agreement OR court approval of the settlement OR a judgment being issued.</li>



<li>The Court will conduct an evidentiary hearing and may consider any factors it deems just and reasonable in determining the allocation of the settlement.</li>



<li>The burden of proof is on the petitioner to prove by “clear and convincing evidence” that Medicaid is demanding too large a portion of the settlement.</li>
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<p>One other excellent part of the new statute says Medicaid can compromise the liens at any time:</p>



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<p>(a3) Notwithstanding the presumption arising pursuant to subsection (a1) of this section, the medical assistance beneficiary and the Department may reach an agreement on the portion of the recovery that represents compensation for the Medicaid claim.&nbsp;</p>
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<p>In the past, Medicaid took the position they could not negotiate their lien with recipients. This new portion allows for that negotiation to occur at any time, even before a petition is filed.</p>



<p>Chris Nichols<br>www.NicholsTrialLaw.com</p>
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                <pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2013 16:43:00 GMT</pubDate>
                
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>I found this link with MSPRC’s website and thought it might be helpful to some of you. This link takes you to the PDF lists of all the Medicare diagnosis codes dating back to 2002. http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Coding/ICD9ProviderDiagnosticCodes/codes.html You can download the pdf files and open them in Acrobat and then CTRL F search for the codes&hellip;</p>
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<p>I found this link with MSPRC’s website and thought it might be helpful to some of you. This link takes you to the PDF lists of all the Medicare diagnosis codes dating back to 2002. <a href="http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Coding/ICD9ProviderDiagnosticCodes/codes.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Coding/ICD9ProviderDiagnosticCodes/codes.html</a></p>



<p>You can download the pdf files and open them in Acrobat and then CTRL F search for the codes that show up on your conditional payment letters from Medicare. This will help you sort out medical visits that have been “coded” for payment for non-related medical procedures and visits.</p>



<p>This makes it easier to find and eliminate appointments for pre-existing conditions. You can also scan in a long conditional payment spread sheet, do a conversion to searchable text (OCR) and then use the search feature on that to find the billing codes.</p>



<p>Hope this is helpful to some of you.</p>



<p>Chris Nichols<br>www.NicholsTrialLaw.com</p>
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                <pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 15:01:00 GMT</pubDate>
                
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>http://news.yahoo.com/trial-priest-joked-abusing-3-boys-week-205857367.html# Trial: Priest joked about abusing 3 boys in week By&nbsp;MARYCLAIRE DALE&nbsp;|&nbsp;Associated Press&nbsp;–&nbsp;17 hrs ago PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Jurors in a landmark priest-abuse trial heard Monday about a priest-turned-camp prowler and another who allegedly bragged about having sex with three boys in one week. Also Monday, two jurors were replaced by alternates, but a gag&hellip;</p>
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<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-trial-priest-joked-about-abusing-3-boys-in-week">Trial: Priest joked about abusing 3 boys in week</h2>



<p><a href="http://www.ap.org/"></a>By&nbsp;MARYCLAIRE DALE&nbsp;|&nbsp;Associated Press&nbsp;–&nbsp;17 hrs ago</p>



<p>PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Jurors in a landmark priest-abuse trial heard Monday about a priest-turned-camp prowler and another who allegedly bragged about having sex with three boys in one week.</p>



<p>Also Monday, two jurors were replaced by alternates, but a gag order prevents lawyer from discussing the reasons for the move.</p>



<p>Monsignor&nbsp;William Lynn&nbsp;is on trial for child endangerment and conspiracy. Lynn, 61, is the&nbsp;first Roman Catholic church&nbsp;official in the U.S. charged for his handling of priest-abuse complaints. Prosecutors say he helped the church bury them in secret files, far from the prying eyes of investigators, civil attorneys and concerned Catholics.</p>



<p>In the day’s most startling testimony, a detective read internal church memos about a priest who allegedly “joked about how hard it was to have sex with three boys in one week.” His accuser also stated that the priest had a “rotation process” of boys spending time sleeping with him.</p>



<p>________________________________________</p>



<p>Interestingly, North Carolina has no Statute of Limitation for criminal cases involving this type of sexual assualt. Unfortunately, the general rule for civil cases is that the civil statute of limitations runs three years after the last date of sexual abuse. If the abused person is a minor, the statute of limitations would begin to run when the minor reaches age 18, and expire 3 years later on the minor’s birthday.</p>



<p>There is case law in NC for “recovered memory” cases, but the requirements for this exception to the statute of limitations on sexual abuse require expert testimony and almost a complete lack of awareness of the abuse until the memory was recovered.</p>



<p>For more information on sexual abuse cases in North Carolina, you can go to our <a href="/practice-areas/personal-injury/sexual-abuse-injury/">Sexual Abuse Injury page</a>.</p>



<p>Chris Nichols<br>www.Nicholstriallaw.com</p>
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                <pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:55:00 GMT</pubDate>
                
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>If you are interested in hearing how the 4th Circuit came to the decision in E.M.A. v Cansler, wherein the Court held that NC’s Medicaid lien statute was not in compliance with the requirements for subrogation as set out in Ark. Dep’t of Human Servs. v. Ahlborn, 547 U.S. 268 (2006) the audio link is posted below.&hellip;</p>
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<p>If you are interested in hearing how the 4th Circuit came to the decision in <em>E.M.A. v Cansler,</em> wherein the Court held that NC’s Medicaid lien statute was not in compliance with the requirements for subrogation as set out in <em><strong>Ark. Dep’t of Human Servs. v. Ahlborn</strong></em>, 547 U.S. 268 (2006) the audio link is posted below. <em> <a href="http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/101865.P.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">E.M.A. v Cansler</a></em> now stands for the proposition that Plaintiffs in NC can ask for a Court to determine Medicaid’s share of a personal injury settlement in a post-settlement hearing where the Court determines what percentage of the settlement is compensation for “medical costs incurred” and paid by Medicaid.</p>



<p>The oral argument can be heard here: <a href="http://coop.ca4.uscourts.gov/OAarchive/mp3/10-1865-20111026.mp3#" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">http://coop.ca4.uscourts.gov/OAarchive/mp3/10-1865-20111026.mp3#</a></p>



<p>Chris Nichols<br><a href="/">www.NicholsTrialLaw.com</a></p>
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                <pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:03:00 GMT</pubDate>
                
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>Finally! After about 7 years of multiple protracted litigation on three separate cases, the United States Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit has established in the matter of E.M.A. v. CANSLER, that&nbsp;Ark. Dep’t of Human Servs. v. Ahlborn, 547 U.S. 268 (2006) is the law of North Carolina and that the NC Supreme Court&hellip;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Finally!</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">After about 7 years of multiple protracted litigation on three separate cases, the United States Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit has established in the matter of E.M.A. v. CANSLER, that&nbsp;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Department_of_Human_Services_v._Ahlborn"><em>Ark. Dep’t of Human Servs. v. Ahlborn</em>, 547 U.S. 268 (2006)</a> is the law of North Carolina and that the NC Supreme Court opinion of&nbsp;<a href="http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/sc/opinions/2008/057-07-2.htm" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Andrews v. Haygood</a>&nbsp;did not properly interpret Ahlborn as it applies to NC Medicaid reimbursement.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Congratulations to<a href="http://www.kirby-holt.com/Bio/WilliamBystrynski.asp"> Bill Bystrynski of Kirby & Holt of Raleigh, NC</a> for the huge win for his client.</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>I’m going to keep this post fairly short and then add more posts with analysis, but I think the court puts their finding best.</strong><br><br>Given that North Carolina common law does not bar DHHS’s lien against E.M.A.’s settlement proceeds, we arefaced with the same question considered by the North CarolinaSupreme Court in Andrews: Whether North Carolina’sthird-party liability statutes comport with federal Medicaidlaw and Ahlborn merely because the subrogation statute, N.C.Gen. Stat. § 108A-57, “caps” the state’s recovery at the lesserof the actual medical expenses paid or one-third of the totalsettlement. The North Carolina Supreme Court in Andrewsand the district court in this case adopted a narrow interpretationof Ahlborn, limiting its holding to cases in which the partieshave stipulated to or otherwise allocated settlementproceeds between different categories of damages, therebyidentifying a sum certain for medical expenses. Thus, thesedecisions are based on the view that Ahlborn is inapplicablein cases involving an unallocated lump-sum settlement, suchas the instant matter.On the contrary, however, nothing in Justice Stevens’sopinion for a unanimous court in Ahlborn supports such acrabbed application of that case. The Ahlborn Court addressedthe specific issue of “whether [ADHHS] can lay claim tomore than the portion of [the recipient’s] settlement that representsmedical expenses.” 547 U.S. at 280.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The Court in no&nbsp;way rested its analysis of this issue on whether there has been a prior determination or stipulation as to the medical expensesportion of a Medicaid recipient’s settlement. Thus, Ahlborn isproperly understood to prohibit recovery by the state of morethan the amount of settlement proceeds representing paymentfor medical care already received. The North Carolina statute’sone-third cap on the state’s recovery against a Medicaidrecipient’s settlement proceeds does not satisfy Ahlborn insofaras it permits DHHS to assert a lien against settlement proceedsintended (or otherwise properly allocable) tocompensate the Medicaid recipient for other claims, such aspain and suffering or lost wages (i.e., in cases where one-thirdof the recipient’s total settlement recovery is greater than theamount DHHS expended on the recipient’s behalf).10 See Andrews, 669 S.E.2d at 607-09 (Hudson, J., dissenting) (concludingthat the North Carolina statutes conflict with federalMedicaid law by allowing the state to recover from a recipientfunds that were for purposes other than medical expenses);Andrews, 655 S.E.2d at 445 (Wynn, J., dissenting) (same).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">…</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">We are not persuaded that a mere “reasonable cap” on astate’s recovery from an unallocated lump-sum settlement satisfiesthe federal anti-lien law as required by Ahlborn. Indeed,contrary to the Andrews court’s reliance on Justice Stevens’sfootnote, the ATLA Brief, rather than advocating full recoverysubject only to a statutory cap, discussed procedures inseveral states to have “mini-hearings” to set allocations ofproceeds from tort settlements where there is no agreementamong the interested parties. Nevertheless, the Supreme Courtof North Carolina found that footnote 18 in Ahlborn authorizesthe states to mandate full recovery up to a legislativelydetermined,across-the-board limit or cap. This reliance is misplaced.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">….</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">On the basis of Ahlborn’s clear holding that the general anti-lien provision in federal Medicaid law prohibits a statefrom recovering any portion of a settlement or judgment not attributable to medical expenses, <strong>DHHS’s lien on E.M.A.’ssettlement proceeds in this case violates federal law.</strong> In order to comply with 42 U.S.C. §§ 1396a(a)(18), 1396p, and Ahlborn,North Carolina is free to implement a process by whichsettlement proceeds are explicitly allocated or otherwisedetermined. In this case, we must remand for an evidentiaryhearing consistent with this opinion to determine the properamount of the DHHS lien on E.M.A.’s settlement proceeds.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">This is an outstanding opinion and reflects the excellent analysis of Judge Wynn and Judge Hudson on the NC cases of <em><a href="/blog/nc-medicaid-and/">Ezell</a></em> and <em><a href="/blog/nc-supreme-court-rejects-ahlborn-mostly/">Andrews.</a></em></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I’ll be writing a whole lot more on the issue, but wanted to get this out there.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I’m also proud that the 4th Circuit relied on a Memorandum issued by CMS to the states in their decision:</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">It is also illuminating that the Centers for Medicaid andMedicare Services (“CMS”) issued a memorandum to all Associate Regional Administrators for Medicaid and State Operations in the wake of the Ahlborn decision to aid the states in understanding the effect the decision would have onstate third-party liability recovery.&nbsp;<em>See</em> Memorandum from Gale Arden, Director of CMS’s Center for Medicaid and StateOperations Disable and Elderly Health Programs Group(DEHPG) to all Associate Regional Administrators for Medicaidand State Operations, “State Options for RecoveryAgainst Liability Settlements in Light of U.S. Supreme CourtDecision in Arkansas Department of Human Services v. Ahlborn”(July 3, 2006) (hereafter “CMS Memorandum”).&nbsp;The CMS Memorandum stated that, post-Ahlborn, “if a State attempted to recover from more than the portion of a settlementthat the parties allocated to medical items and services,it was in violation of the federal anti-lien statute.” Id. Additionally,the CMS Memorandum clarified that, “to the extent State laws permit recovery over and above what the partieshave appropriately designated as payment for medical itemsand services, the State was in violation of federal Medicaidlaws.” Id. (Page 32)</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">NCTrialLAw Blog was the first blog to find and publish CMS Advisory Ahlborn Settlement Options (July 2006)-1 after some deep searches on the Internet. It was a sort of “smoking gun” that showed that CMS itself was telling the State of North Carolina that Ahlborn applied.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Chris Nichols<br>www.NicholsTrialLaw.com</p>
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                <pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:16:00 GMT</pubDate>
                
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<p>I was sent this brief “idiot’s guide” to dealing with Medicare and thought it was an excellent summary of the process. I’ve posted it in full, along with the contact information for a company that will help with the lien resolution process. I am not endorsing their product as I have never used their services.</p>
<cite>– Chris Nichols</cite></blockquote>



<p><a href="http://lienblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/the-idiot%E2%80%99s-guide-to-medicare-lien-resolution/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">http://lienblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/the-idiot%E2%80%99s-guide-to-medicare-lien-resolution/</a></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-the-idiot-s-guide-to-medicare-lien-nbsp-resolution"><a href="http://lienblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/the-idiot%e2%80%99s-guide-to-medicare-lien-resolution/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">The Idiot’s Guide to Medicare Lien&nbsp;Resolution</a></h2>



<p>Typically,&nbsp;<a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/areas-of-service/medicare-lien-resolution/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Medicare liens</a>&nbsp;are placed on the personal injury case of a person whose treatment is paid by Medicare. Medicare’s agents, the COBC,&nbsp;MSPRC, and CMS have a right to recover funds which would not have been paid without the negligent act which harmed the plaintiff-beneficiary.</p>



<p>If you are the Medicare beneficiary and plaintiff in a lawsuit, your attorney should handle the&nbsp;<a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/areas-of-service/medicare-lien-resolution/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Medicare liens</a>&nbsp;for you. If you are the attorney, but you don’t know how to handle the lien, or just need some help, follow these simple steps:</p>



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<li>Report the case to the COBC
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<li>Call <a href="tel:%28800%29%20999-1118" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">(800) 999-1118</a></li>



<li>Be prepared to give the following Plaintiff/Beneficiary information:
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<li>Name</li>



<li>Social Security Number</li>



<li>Medicare Number (a/k/a HIC Number)</li>



<li>Date of Birth</li>



<li>Address</li>



<li>Date of Incident</li>



<li>Injury (the COBC prefers physical body parts )</li>



<li>Defense insurance (if known)</li>
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</li>
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</li>



<li>This <em>should</em> be the only time you deal with the COBC</li>



<li>Wait 10-15 days. During this time period the COBC will transfer the file to the MSPRC, another Medicare agency. At the end of this time period you should receive two (2) pieces of <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/areas-of-service/medicare-lien-resolution/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Medicare lien information</a> from the MSPRC:
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<li>First, you will receive a Beneficiary Information Questionnaire (you will recognize this document based on the red grid lines on the back pages). This document can be ignored if, and only if, the plaintiff-beneficiary’s information has <em>not</em> changed.</li>



<li>Concurrently, you will receive a Rights and Responsibilities Letter. This will give some information on the <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#4" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Conditional Payment Letter</a> process. No action on your part is required.
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<li>This Rights and Responsibilities Letter starts a countdown until you <em>should</em> receive a <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#4" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Conditional Payment Letter</a> (a/k/a the initial lien). That countdown will last 65 days – however, you need something else to receive the letter.</li>



<li>Within the 65 day period, you need to send consent and proof of representation to the MSPRC. If you do not send the consent, you will not receive information on the <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/areas-of-service/medicare-lien-resolution/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Medicare lien</a>, nor will you be able to speak to MSPRC representatives regarding your case.
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<li>Unfortunately, the MSPRC is notoriously slow. Without constant checks on the status and timeline, your <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#4" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Conditional Payment Letter</a> probably won’t arrive within the 65 day period.
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<li>Be sure to call the MSPRC to check the status of your consent (its validity).</li>



<li>Be sure to call the MSPRC multiple times after to check the status of your <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#4" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Conditional Payment Letter</a>.</li>



<li>Please be ready to wait when you call theMSPRC. Hold times range anywhere from 10 to 55 minutes (and increasing). In fact, due to theMSPRC’s inability to handle current volumes of mail, its <a href="http://lienblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/2010/06/22/msprc-call-center-now-closed-on-fridays/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">call center is now closed on Fridays</a>.</li>
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<li>After all that time and effort you should receive the <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#4" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Conditional Payment Letter</a>.
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<li>But if you did not bother to call the MSPRC – you probably don’t have it!</li>



<li>You’ve received the <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#4" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Conditional Payment Letter</a>, now what?
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<li>Review the payments. Check every ICD-9 code and injury to make certain they relate to the plaintiff’s sued-for injuries.
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<li>Hint: ICD-9 Code 250.00 (Diabetes Mellitus) usually does not relate to malpractice or a personal injury.</li>
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<li>On nearly every <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#4" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Conditional Payment Letter</a> there will be unrelated codes – this means the lien is too high and Medicare is claiming funds to which it is not entitled.</li>



<li>If you have time before settlement you should Dispute the<a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#4" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Conditional Payment Letter</a>.
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<li>The MSPRC requires these in writing.</li>



<li>Dispute the codes that are unrelated and explain why the MSPRCwas wrong to include them.</li>



<li>Be detailed.</li>



<li>The MSPRC will take 60-90 days to review your dispute. When it replies to your dispute it will not give reasons, it simply sends a new <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#4" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Conditional Payment Letter</a>.</li>



<li>The case is settled, how do I pay Medicare?
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<li>First you have to request a <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Final Lien Demand</a> by notifying theMSPRC of settlement.
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<li>Be sure to include the settlement, attorneys fee, any costs incurred (plus an itemization), and the date of settlement.</li>



<li>In 30-45 days you will receive a <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Final Lien Demand</a>. This is the amount you must pay to Medicare from the settlement proceeds.
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<li>You have 60 days to repay the lien before interest accrues.</li>



<li>If you fail to pay within 60 days the interest will accrue for all 60 days plus any additional time.</li>
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<li>A <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Final Lien Demand</a> is not really final:
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<li>You can appeal the <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Final Lien Demand</a> on the basis that unrelated payments are included in the lien.
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<li>You must do so within 120 days.</li>



<li>Be very careful and detailed when appealing. Keep in mind the MSPRC is the judge, jury, and executioner at this point of the <a href="http://lienblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/2010/04/05/negotiating-with-medicare/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Medicare lien appeal</a>.</li>
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</li>



<li>Other methods exist to lower the lien, including:
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<li>Compromises with CMS.</li>



<li>Waivers through the Social Security Administration.</li>



<li>Now that I appealed, how does my client get a<a href="http://lienblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/2010/03/30/medicare-reimbursement-what-happens-when-you-overpay-medicare/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Medicare Lien Reimbursement</a>?
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<li><a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/areas-of-service/medicare-lien-resolution/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Medicare lien</a> reimbursements (for “overpayment”) take 10-14 weeks to be processed and sent to your client.</li>



<li>You don’t have to do anything once the appeal has been agreed to by the MSPRC.
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<li>But the check will go straight to the last-known address for the beneficiary.</li>



<li>If you want the check to go to your office you must contact the MSPRC and request it be sent to you.
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<li>Usually this check arrives as a two-party check.</li>



<li>This will protect the interests of all heirs who have an entitlement to the lawsuit funds.</li>



<li>Now you can put the check into your escrow account and disburse the funds as is legal, ethical, and agreed to by the plaintiff, heirs, and secondary lienholders.</li>
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<li>Timelines:
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<li>Reporting to COBC – Day 1</li>



<li>COBC transfer to MSPRC – Day 3-5</li>



<li>MSPRC sends Rights and Responsibilities letter, starting 65 day countdown to a Conditional Payment Summary, or <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/areas-of-service/medicare-lien-resolution/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Initial Medicare Lien</a> – Day 15-20</li>



<li><a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#4" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Conditional Payment Letter</a> arrives – Day 80-85</li>



<li>Disputes add 60-90 days</li>



<li>Compromises add 60-90 days</li>



<li>Appeals add 60-90 days</li>



<li>Notice of settlement to receive <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/ask-the-experts/#8" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Final Lien Demand</a>
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<li>Was 10-21 days</li>



<li>Now is 30-45 days</li>



<li>If you do everything right in <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/areas-of-service/medicare-lien-resolution/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Medicare Lien Resolution</a>, you could resolve a lien within 110 days; but, if you let letters sit and do not take the time to carefully review and <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/contact-us/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">resolve your liens</a>, they could take years.
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<li>Report early;</li>



<li>Call often; or,</li>



<li>GET HELP! <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Lien Resolution Services</a>specializes in this process. When we see a Medicare letter, we know what to do with it – reducing lag time and speeding up the <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">lien resolution</a> process. <a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">LRS</a> makes<a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">lien resolution</a> 100% of our focus; we take this administrative work off your hands providing you with time to practice law and litigate cases.</li>



<li>Best of all – The cost of lien resolution is<a href="http://lienblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/lrs-costs-nothing/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">billable to the client</a>, just like an expert fee. The <a href="http://lienblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/lrs-costs-nothing/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">attorney pays nothing; </a>and, while the client pays a small fee, he or she ultimately benefits by a reduced lien, faster disbursement, and results.</li>



<li><a href="http://lienresolutionusa.com/contact-us/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Contact us</a> for all of the above.</li>
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<p>Ryan J. WeinerCo-Founder Lien Resolution Services</p>



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                <title><![CDATA[NC Senate Bill 33 and Loss of Liberty:  How the NC GOP rolls back 235 years of independence and makes big PHARMA the new “King”]]></title>
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                <pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:50:00 GMT</pubDate>
                
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>Two Hundred and Thirty-five years ago to the day, North Carolina was the first of the Colonies to authorize its delegates to declare independence from Great Britain. So how is this relevant to “tort reform” and the pending legislation called Senate Bill 33 in the North Carolina House? Well, this law, proposed by Rep. Johnathan&hellip;</p>
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<p>Two Hundred and Thirty-five years ago to the day, North Carolina was the first of the Colonies to authorize its delegates to declare independence from Great Britain.</p>



<p><strong>So how is this relevant to “tort reform” and the pending legislation called Senate Bill 33 in the North Carolina House?</strong> Well, this law, proposed by Rep. Johnathan Rhyne (R- Lincolnton), takes away an essential ingredient of Liberty of the people of North Carolina- The right to a jury trial.</p>



<p>Rep. Rhyne’s bill says that when a citizen is hurt or killed by a negligent emergency room physician, or nurse, or hospital worker, that injured person has no right to sue for negligence. Further, the bill says that when a citizen of North Carolina is injured or killed by a defective drug manufactured ANYWHERE in the world, that citizen can not sue the manufacturer if the drug has been “approved” by a state or federal agency. Taking away the “right to redress” or “the right to sue” is the same as depriving someone the right to a jury trial. If you can’t sue, you can’t get a jury. The doors to the court house are closed to these people.</p>



<p>The Halifax resolves speciically address the right to trial by jury. In the Resolves the authors talk about the King seizing “<em>Ships belonging to America” </em>which<em> “are declared prizes of War” </em>and that the colonies have been deprived the legal right to get these ships back or enter into a process of determining the legal rights to the ships: “<em>And …the United Colonies and their sincere desire to be reconciled to the mother Country on Constitutional Principles, have procured no mitigation of the aforesaid Wrongs and usurpations and no hopes remain of obtaining redress by those Means alone which have been hitherto tried.”</em></p>



<p>Rep. Rhyne’s proposed legislation takes us back to the days of being subjugated to the King and the Crown. Of course, one might make the distinction that under Rhyne’s law, the State of North Carolina is not “profiting” from the people. That is true, but Rhyne’s law is even WORSE.</p>



<p>Under Rhyne’s proposals, the State of North Carolina not only denies “obtaining redress” but does so to the financial advantage of international drug companies and for-profit hospitals and corporate physician groups.</p>



<p>This law is a glaring example of “Big Government” taking fundamental liberties of THE PEOPLE and redistributing the spoils of war to anti-liberty, big monied cronies.</p>



<p><strong>Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence and the third President of the United States, said, “I consider trial by jury as the only anchor ever yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution.”</strong><br><br>Senate Bill 33 takes away the trial by jury of people injured by negligent doctors and also those hurt or killed by defective drug products. These people are completely deprived of their liberty to hold bad actors accountable for their wrongs.<br><br>Why is the NC GOP rolling back our rights to pre-independence days?<br><br>Why did certain colonists remain loyal to the King? Scholars say one unifying characteristics of Loyalists to the Crown during the Revolution was this: They had a long-standing sentimental attachment to Britain, often with business ties. Also known as MONEY.&nbsp;</p>



<p>How much did Rep. Jonathan Rhyne take from Big PHARMA and Medical Lobbyists?<br><br>PLEASE: preserve your liberty and rights. Call Anyone on this list and tell them to vote NO to SB33: <a href="https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlinyCcVT4eGdGZLZU95VTREcW12RXBoLXlKU2paSWc&hl=en#gid=0" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AlinyCcVT4eGdGZLZU95VTREcW12RXBoLXlKU2paSWc&hl=en#gid=0</a></p>



<p>The below is from: <a href="http://ncpedia.org/history/usrevolution/halifax-resolves" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">http://ncpedia.org/history/usrevolution/halifax-resolves</a></p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-halifax-resolves">HALIFAX&nbsp;RESOLVES</h2>



<p>Excerpted from “Historical Miscellanea: An Early History of North Carolina,” <a href="http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=%22north%20carolina%20manual%22%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><em>North Carolina Manual</em></a>, <em>1991-1992</em>, published biennially by the NC Department of the Secretary of State.</p>



<p>North Carolina, on April 12, 1776, authorized her delegates to the <a href="http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/chronicle_philadelphia1776.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Continental Congress</a> to vote for independence. This was the first official action by a colony calling for independence. The 83 delegates present in Halifax at the <a href="http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/nchist-revolution/4259" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Fourth Provincial Congress</a> unanimously adopted the Halifax Resolves, which read as follows:</p>



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<p><em>The Select Committee taking into Consideration the usurpations and violences attempted and committed by the King and Parliament of Britain against America, and the further Measures to be taken for frustrating the same, and for the better defence of this province reported as follows, to wit,</em></p>



<p><em>It appears to your Committee that pursuant to the Plan concerted by the British Ministry for subjugating America, the King and Parliament of Great Britain have usurped a Power over the Persons and Properties of the People unlimited and uncontrouled and disregarding their humble Petitions for Peace, Liberty and safety, have made divers Legislative Acts, denouncing War Famine and every Species of Calamity daily employed in destroying the People and committing the most horrid devastations on the Country. That Governors in different Colonies have declared Protection to Slaves who should imbrue their Hands in the Blood of their Masters. That the Ships belonging to America are declared prizes of War and many of them have been violently seized and confiscated in consequence of which multitudes of the people have been destroyed or from easy Circumstances reduced to the most Lamentable distress.</em></p>



<p><em>And whereas the moderation hitherto manifested by the United Colonies and their sincere desire to be reconciled to the mother Country on Constitutional Principles, have procured no mitigation of the aforesaid Wrongs and usurpations and no hopes remain of obtaining redress by those Means alone which have been hitherto tried, Your Committee are of Opinion that the house should enter into the following Resolve, to wit</em></p>



<p><em>Resolved that the delegates for this Colony in the Continental Congress be impowered to concur with the other delegates of the other Colonies in declaring Independency, and forming foreign Alliances, resolving to this Colony the Sole, and Exclusive right of forming a Constitution and Laws for this Colony, and of appointing delegates from time to time (under the direction of a general Representation thereof to meet the delegates of the other Colonies for such purposes as shall be hereafter pointed out.</em></p>
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<p>The Halifax Resolves were important not only because they were the first official action calling for independence, but also because they were not unilateral recommendations. They were instead recommendations directed to all the colonies and their delegates assembled at the Continental Congress in Philadelphia. Virginia followed with her own recommendations soon after the adoption of the Halifax Resolution, and eventually on July 4, the final draft of the <a href="http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Declaration of Independence</a> was signed. William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, and John Penn were the delegates from North Carolina who signed the Declaration of Independence.</p>
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                <title><![CDATA[Will NC Be the Worst State for Manufacturers? The Unintended Consequence of HB 542: Destroys Insurance and Business Subrogation for Losses From Product Failure]]></title>
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                <pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 00:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
                
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>I am attaching below the letter I sent to three members of the North Carolina House Select Committee on Tort Reform. I believe that House Bill 542 may “look” good for business but have the unintended consequence of making North Carolina the WORST place for manufacturing in the entire United States. I’ve inserted a few&hellip;</p>
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<p>I am attaching below the letter I sent to three members of the North Carolina House Select Committee on Tort Reform.</p>



<p>I believe that <a href="http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2011/Bills/House/PDF/H542v1.pdf">House Bill 542</a> may “look” good for business but have the unintended consequence of making <strong>North Carolina the WORST place for manufacturing in the entire United States.</strong> I’ve inserted a few comments below in <strong>[BOLD]</strong> brackets.</p>



<p><a href="http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/members/viewMember.pl?sChamber=H&nUserID=309">Rep. Stam</a>, <a href="http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/members/viewMember.pl?sChamber=H&nUserID=198">Rep. Weiss</a>, and <a href="http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/members/viewMember.pl?sChamber=H&nUserID=625">Rep. Murray</a>:</p>



<p>I am a lawyer, like each of you, and I would like to call to your attention what I think is a major unintended consequence of HB 542. I called each of your offices today to discuss this issue.</p>



<p><strong>HB 542 destroys the right of a NC manufacturer and their insurance company to subrogate on catastrophic losses caused by defective products.This hurts manufacturing, business, and insurance interests in North Carolina.</strong><br><br>Please read the below example:</p>



<p>Products Liability Immunity Destroys Business and Insurance Subrogation: HB 542 gives immunity from suit to any company that produces a faulty product that has been “approved for sale” by any State of Federal regulatory agency. This bar would apply to insurance subrogation claims against the original tortfeasor and therefore bars insurance companies and the self-insured from recouping losses caused by faulty products.</p>



<p>EXAMPLE.Power Plant Explosion: A North Carolina power company buys a defective industrial boiler from a Chinese (or any) manufacturing company. This product is “approved” by several state and federal agencies as required by law.” [Does this sound like the <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/06/national/main2070115.shtml">Apex Chemical explosion</a>?]</p>



<p>That boiler explodes and spreads toxic ash over a 3 mile radius. The environment is polluted, people are made sick, and the business site is shut down. The NC business itself suffers a $300 Million dollar business and property damage loss and is sued by the State and citizens for the toxic ash injuries. The insurer for the power company (or self-insured company itself) must pay for the business loss, claims of injuries and property loss, but would be prohibited by HB542 from seeking a recovery from the negligent Chinese manufacturer. The State of North Carolina would be prohibited from seeking compensation for the loss to the environment and the toxic clean up costs. This will increase the cost of insurance for business and the State and possibly force insurers to stop insuring for loss from product defect.</p>



<p>HB542 uses the following definitions: [See page 8 of <a href="http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2011/Bills/House/PDF/H542v1.pdf">HB542</a>] ” (1) “Claimant” means a person or other entity asserting a claim”</p>



<p>“Product liability action” includes any action brought for or on account of personal injury, death or property damage caused by or resulting from the manufacture, construction, design, formulation, development of standards, preparation, processing, assembly, testing, listing, certifying, warning, instructing, marketing, selling, advertising, packaging, or labeling of any product.” (Emphasis added)</p>



<p>“No manufacturer or sellershall be held liable in any product liability action if any one of the following apply:”</p>



<p><strong>Under this very simple language above, businesses that suffer catastrophic losses due to product defects will NOT be able to recoup those loses.</strong></p>



<p>Moreover, what will be the effect on Business Insurance Policies? A standard loss policy would have language like the following:</p>



<p><strong>“If we pay a claim under your policy, we will take over your right to recover that amount from any other person or organization. You agree to cooperate with us and not do anything that will interfere with our chances of recovery”.</strong></p>



<p>Insurers would be subrogated to the right of the North Carolina company. Because subrogation is “the substitution of one person in the place of another with reference to a lawful claim, demand, or right, so that he who is substituted succeeds to the rights of the other in relation to the debt or claim, and its rights, remedies, or securities,” the North Carolina Company would have no right to recover under HB542 and thus the insurance company would be subrogated to nothing.</p>



<p>North Carolina will be the ONLY state in the nation with such a law.</p>



<p><strong>This raises many difficult questions:</strong></p>



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<li>Will insurance companies issue large commercial policies to North Carolina manufacturers know there will be no right to subrogate in failed products cases? Can businesses operate without this insurance?</li>



<li>Will North Carolina manufacturers receive insurance rate increases due to the higher cost risk for North Carolina claims?</li>



<li>Will manufacturers avoid locating in North Carolina because they will not be protected from defective products they purchase for their business?</li>



<li>Will insurance products for consumers be impacted by the lack of subrogation for faulty manufacturing? Will home owner insurance rates increase due to the number of fires caused by defective products where there will be no subrogatable interest for the insurance company?</li>



<li>Why would a manufacturer choose North Carolina over 49 other states knowing that it had no protections from faulty products within its own facility?</li>
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<p>I ask that you stop HB542 before it further erodes North Carolina’s business economy.</p>



<p>Chris Nichols</p>



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<p>(update)&nbsp;</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-a-non-hypotehtical-example-of-products-liability-subrogation-in-insurance">A non-hypotehtical Example of Products Liability Subrogation In Insurance</h2>



<p>Here is an excellent example of how subrogation works in the context of product liability claims. This is a blog post from <a href="http://www.subrogationrecoverylawblog.com/articles/subro-roundup/">Cozen O’Conner</a>, a national law firm that helps insurance companies recover funds from manufacturers of defective produts when those products cause damage which is insured. Here is a link to their full blog post. <a href="http://www.subrogationrecoverylawblog.com/2011/03/articles/subro-roundup/lasko-recalls-48-million-box-fans/">Lasko Recalls 4.8 Million Box Fans</a></p>



<p>The case involved a massive barn fire at a breeding farm in Hondo, New Mexico. Six world class race horse breeding stallions were killed in the fire and the barn itself was totaled. Cozen O’Connor represented over sixty sophisticated horsemen clients who had ownership interests in the stallions, and their insurers. The insurers for the horses and the barn went to great lengths to preserve the fire scene, and as a direct result of their diligence the experts were able to examine each electrical device in the barn and identify the fatal flaw in the Lasko fan motor.<br><br>On March 24th (long after the fire) the <a href="http://www.cpsc.gov/">Consumer Product Safety Commission </a>announced a voluntary <a href="http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml11/11183.html">recall </a>of 4.8 million Lasko box fans. The recall notice reports “an electrical failure in the fan’s motor poses a fire hazard to consumers.” The CPSC cites a “barn fire resulting in extensive property damage” as a basis for the recall.</p>



<p>If this fire had occurred in North Carolina under House Bill 542, the lawyers at Cozen O’Conner would have been barred from seeking recovery from Lasko. The insurer would have paid out millions and not been reimbursed by the negligent manufacturer of the fan. And who would absorb the cost of the unreimbursed expenses? Anyone who buys insurance.</p>



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<p>Hopefully this will make a difference. This bill is not just about people injured by defective products, but also business.</p>



<p>This is an actual photo of the Apex, NC plant explosion at a chemical storage facility.</p>
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>This post is somewhat of a departure from my “usual” posts about liens and other important (but dry )material and it is also a huge departure from my normal practice of completely ignoring “friend spam.” What’s “friend spam”? Well, you know how you get those “chain emails” from Friends or Friends of Friends about a&hellip;</p>
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<p>This post is somewhat of a departure from my “usual” posts about liens and other important (but dry )material and it is also a huge departure from my normal practice of completely ignoring “friend spam.” What’s “friend spam”? Well, you know how you get those “chain emails” from Friends or Friends of Friends about a “Thought for the Day” or other inspirational material? That’s “friend spam”.</p>



<p>At any rate, the 3 minute video below came through my email from a friend and I dared to click on it. It’s a little cheesy, potentially apocryphal, and it ends with an advertisement for what may even be a pseudo-religious employee training service. And yet, I’m reposting it even though it violates many of my cardinal rules for reposting. So why? Why would I re-post this?</p>



<p>First if all, even trial hardened lawyers need to be a little mushy from time to time, right?&nbsp;</p>



<p>But more importantly, I think this video reminds us about how to effectively try a case and prepare witnesses. In the story, Johnny the Bagger manges to break through&nbsp;the mundane world of grocery shopping by connecting with his customers on an emotional level with a simple but genuine gesture.</p>



<p>How does this apply to jury trials? First off, most jurors come into the courtroom with a deep set of unrealistic expectations about trials and often a mindset that is “anti-plaintiff.” After decades of insurance company propaganda, Jurors often start out by thinking they can not trust the plaintiff or their lawyer because they “want something.” The Plaintiff’s lawyer has a monumental task of overcoming these perceptions while also juggling a long “to do” list of minimum evidence requirements.</p>



<p>In the pressure of trial, making sure we cross off our “to do” list, we often forget that we MUST connect on some visceral level with our jurors. Our clients can not simply clinically spout off a list of symptoms and economic losses. It is our job to find a subject that breaks through the perceptions and connects the jurors and the plaintiff on an emotional level.</p>



<p>I find that when I prep even the most stoic witness, there is usually one subject or another that can get them emotionally stirred up. I wish&nbsp;I could say it was always the same subject, but it never seems to be. Often it is how the Plaintiff perceives the emotional impact of the injury on the family. But that “a-ha” testimony never seems to come in the abstract. It only comes in story telling. It happens when I say, “Look, I hear you when you say this injury has impacted your family, but tell me one story, give me one example of how you figured that out.”</p>



<p>Once I hear that story, the story that makes my client get misty eyed, I never ask about it again, until trial. I don’t tell my client I am going to ask about it. I want my client to be raw for a moment, I want them to be emotional, I even want them to be (emotionally) messy and uncomfortable.</p>



<p>I want them to be real.</p>



<p>The video I watched this morning reminded me that being real is so important in what we do. How do you “stay real”? When do you let your guard down? As lawyers, we have so many roles to fulfill in trial that it is very easy to become mechanistic. What gets you out of that non-emotional role and shows the jury that this is not just another case for you, but a real person with real injuries?</p>



<p>If you can’t answer the question easily, watch this video, see if it makes you feel something, and then take a moment to figure out how you can translate that feeling.</p>



<p>Chris Nichols<br><a href="/">www.NicholsTrialLaw.com</a></p>
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>Just had a great straight forward question about the interaction of Medicaid Liens, Attorney Fees, and medical provider liens pursuant to NCGS 44-49-50. QUESTION: Is Medicaid’s lien capped at one third of liability proceeds received or half of what is left over after attorney’s fees? In other words, if I am pro-rating a Medicaid lien&hellip;</p>
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<p>Just had a great straight forward question about the interaction of Medicaid Liens, Attorney Fees, and medical provider liens pursuant to <a href="http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_44.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">NCGS 44-49-50</a>.</p>



<p><strong>QUESTION:</strong> Is Medicaid’s lien capped at one third of liability proceeds received or half of what is left over after attorney’s fees? In other words, if I am pro-rating a Medicaid lien with 44-49 liens and my fee is 25%, are they still sharing a third or are they sharing 37.5%?</p>



<p><strong>ANSWER:</strong> Medicaid gets&nbsp;no more than&nbsp;1/3 of the total settlement. Your attorney fees are irrelevant to Medicaid’s share. The most&nbsp;Medicaid can get is 1/3 of the settlement, even if you charge only 1 dollar as a fee.<br>&nbsp;<br>Medicaid will prorate with NCGS 44-49/50 liens within their 1/3 share. But remember that paying the parorata share of the 44-49/50 liens does not extinguish the balance of the medical bill. The client still owes the balance after the prorata share unless you negotiate a “final payment” compromise with the mediacl provider. 44-49/50 simply act as as a way to get the lawyer out of the middle and get the provider some money before they have to turn to a collection action&nbsp;to get it.<br>&nbsp;<br>The 1/3 (or Medicaid’s portion thereof) DOES take care of Medicaid, in full.</p>



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                <description><![CDATA[<p>I frequently serve as an arbitration panel member for Uninsured (UM) and Underinsured Cases (UIM) in NC. Our standard UIM & UM policy says that if the claimant opts for arbitration instead of&nbsp;jury trial, then they get arbitration. This is a supremely efficient use of time and probably saves the state of North Carolina MILLIONS&hellip;</p>
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<p>I frequently serve as an arbitration panel member for Uninsured (UM) and Underinsured Cases (UIM) in NC. Our standard UIM & UM policy says that if the claimant opts for arbitration instead of&nbsp;jury trial, then they get arbitration. This is a supremely efficient use of time and probably saves the state of North Carolina MILLIONS of dollars in judicial and court costs every year. I’d estimate that an arbitration which takes about 4 hours to complete would typically take at least 3 days of a jury trial, with the costs of Judges, Bailiffs, Court reporters, Court Clerks, and Jurors.&nbsp;</p>



<p>Arbitration is a good thing when it is at the option of the injured person.</p>



<p><strong>One issue that is constantly debated on arbitration panels is the issue of “Prejugment” Interest on the Arbitration Award. A new case from the North Carolina Court of Appeals clarifies this often hotly debated subject.</strong>&nbsp;</p>



<p>The case is <a href="http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2009/080662-1.htm"><em>Hamby v. Williams</em>, NO. COA08-662 (May 2009)</a> which supports the leading case on the issue <a href="http://http//www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2008/061690-1.htm"><em>Sprake v. Leche</em>, 188 N.C. App. 322, 658 S.E.2d 490 (2008)</a></p>



<p>In Hamby, the arbitration panel was asked to award interest on the award but deferred that issue to the Superior Court “for further review”. The plaintiff presented evidence of the date of filing of the complaint. The Superior Court denied Plaintiff’s motion for interest and confirmed the arbitration award. In <em>Hamby</em>, the court first confirms that Interest is available under the standard insurance policy.&nbsp;</p>



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<p>[Insurance carriers contend that] the UIM/UM policy “does not specify anywhere that a party is entitled to prejudgment interest on an arbitration or jury award.” This assertion is incorrect. The applicable provision of the policy provides that “[UIM carrier] will pay all sums the ‘insured’ is legally entitledto recover as compensatory damages . . . .” In <a href="http://http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2008/061690-1.htm"><em>Sprake v. Leche</em>, 188 N.C. App. 322, 658 S.E.2d 490 (2008),</a> this Court held that prejudgment interest is part of compensatory damages for which an UIM carrier is liable. <em>Id</em>. at 325, 658 S.E.2d at 492 (citing<em>Baxley v. Nationwide Mutual Ins. Co.</em>, 334 N.C. 1, 11, 430 S.E.2d 895, 901 (1993) and <em>Austin v. Midgett</em>, 159 N.C. App. 416, 419, 583 S.E.2d 405, 409 (2003)). Since the policy specifically provides for payment of “compensatory damages” these cases control. The arbitration provision provides that if the parties disagree on the amount of damages, then the matter may be arbitrated. The arbitration provision in no manner limits the scope of “compensatory damages” and the above-referenced provision of the policy controls.</p>
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<p>Then the court goes on to establish HOW a Plaintiff can get interest awarded.</p>



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<p>In the instant case, the parties consented to arbitrate plaintiff’s UIM claim “in accordance with the terms of the policy of insurance[.]” The parties stipulated that the issue to be determined was the amount of plaintiff’s “damages resulting from the auto accident of May 22, 2003[.]” The terms of the policy provided for “compensatory damages,” which included prejudgment interest. <em>Id. </em>at 325, 658 S.E.2d at 492. We thus hold the arbitration agreement did encompass prejudgment interest. Since the arbitration agreement encompassed prejudgment interest, and this issue was deferred to the trial court for resolution, <em>Palmer</em>, <em>Eisinger</em>, and <em>Blanton</em>are not applicable, and an award of prejudgment interest would not constitute a modification of the arbitration award. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 24-5(b) (2007) provides that: “[i]n an action other than contract, any portion of a money judgment designated by the fact finder as compensatory damages bears interest from the date the action is commenced until the judgment is satisfied.” <em>We hold this provision to be mandatory and not discretionary on the part of the trial court, and that the trial court erred in not awarding prejudgment interest to plaintiff.</em> (emphasis added) The portion of the trial court’s order denying prejudgment interest to plaintiff is reversed and this matter is remanded for entry of judgment awarding plaintiff prejudgment interest.</p>
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<p>So what does this mean? How do you get interest?</p>



<p>1. Have an arbitration agreement that includes, at least, the following:</p>



<p>(A) The “issue to be determined&nbsp;is the amount of plaintiff’s compensatory damages resulting from the auto accident of ……”</p>



<p>(B) The arbitration is to proceed ““in accordance with the terms of the policy of insurance”.</p>



<p>2. You MUST ADDRESS and ASK for prejudgment interest at the time of the arbitration.&nbsp;</p>



<p>3. If the panel does not address the issue of interest in the award, you will not get interest from a Superior Court Judge even if you attempt to get it by having the award entered as a judgment. See <a href="http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2009/080864-1.htm">Blanton v. Isenhower, ___ N.C. App. ___, ___ S.E.2d ___ (April 7, 2009) (No. 08-864)</a> which cites the original “killer” of interest awards, <em>Palmer v. Duke Power Co.</em>, 129 N.C. App. 488, 499 S.E.2d 801 (1998) (sorry no link, but basically the Court said that if the arbitrators did not address something in an Award, a Court can not modify that award unless it is simply a mathematical error.)</p>



<p>My last bit of advice is to advise your opposing counsel that you are seeking interest before the arbitration. Send a copy of the <em>Hamby</em> case. Get a copy of the policy and make sure that the language works for you. Prepare a “suggested” award for the panel which addresses the interest issue. Be prepared to hand up cases to the Panel confirming they have the power to award interest.</p>



<p><strong>Chris Nichols</strong><br><strong>Nichols Law Firm</strong></p>
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<p>If you are a lawyer who sometimes helps your clients with settlements by recommending a structured settlement (annuity) the shake up of AIG should be a topic of conversation.&nbsp;</p>



<p>I emailed one of my friends, <a href="http://www.msettlements-milner.com/">Bryan Milner</a>, who is a structured settlement broker and gave him a Q & A on questions I anticipate my clients will be asking about future (and past) structured settlements. I thought this would be helpful for anyone who may be looking at a structure in the near future.<br><br>Here are the answers to my questions from Bryan.</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-alleviating-structured-settlement-fears-q-amp-a">Alleviating Structured Settlement Fears- Q & A</h2>



<p><em><strong>My client is considering a structured settlement but the situation with AIG has them (and me) worried about the safety of an annuity investment. Here are some of the questions I anticipate:</strong></em></p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-q-if-the-life-insurance-company-holding-my-annuity-fails-what-happens-to-my-structured-settlement"><em>Q: If the life insurance company holding my annuity fails, what happens to my structured settlement?</em></h3>



<p>A: The insurance companies are subject to regulations that require them to have assets set aside and earmarked solely for the purpose of meeting their obligations to policyholders . Even in bankruptcy, these funds are not touchable, and would still be there for the purpose of honoring their commitments. In addition, each life company that offers structured settlement annuities provides a guarantee from their holding assignment company that the scheduled payments will be made to the claimant. A document with the details of the guarantee are included in each structured settlement annuity policy.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-q-are-some-types-of-structured-settlements-safer-than-others"><em>Q: Are some “types” of structured settlements safer than others?</em> </h3>



<p>A: Safety is based solely on the ability of the issuing life insurance company to pay claims. Settlement annuities, and annuities in general, are well capitalized and regulated in efforts to help ensure the safety of the industry as a whole. Pay attention to overall ratings and creditworthiness of the company you choose.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-q-are-structured-settlements-insured-or-guaranteed-by-someone-other-than-the-company-issuing-them"><em>Q: Are Structured settlements “insured” or guaranteed by someone other than the company issuing them?</em></h3>



<p>A: All states have a Guaranty Association Act. The Act states that in the event that a member insurer, who is licensed to sell annuities in that particular state, is ordered to be liquidated by a court, the Guaranty Association Act enables the State Guaranty Association to provide protection up to a certain amount for its residents who are holders of annuity policies with the solvent insurer. For example in North Carolina, the State Guaranty limit is $300,000.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-q-what-is-a-qualified-assignment-and-does-it-help-protect-the-annuity"><em>Q: What is a qualified assignment? And does it help protect the annuity?</em></h3>



<p>A: The key word in Qualified Assignment is the word “Qualified”. It simply means that the assignment procedure, if done correctly, will allow benefits to “qualify” for beneficial tax treatment under 104(a)(2). As far as the protection aspect, in most cases, the assignment company is a smaller affiliated company of the parent company that issued the actual annuity contract. Again, in most cases, the assignment company’s only assets are the settlement annuities that it owns. There are no other prospective creditors that could have a claim on the assets of the assignment company. It serves as a way of separating away from the parent’s general creditors. You can also consider a “secured creditor” status with many of the issuing life companies. That level of security puts your policy higher up on the food chain when compared to a general creditor for payback if the issuing company fails and has to be liquidated. A specialized Uniform Qualified Assignment and Release and Pledge from the life company would need to be signed at the time of settlement.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-q-if-i-have-a-structured-settlement-with-insurance-company-a-can-they-sell-my-annuity-to-insurance-company-b-like-mortgage-companies-do-can-insurance-company-b-sell-it-to-other-companies"><em>Q: If I have a structured settlement with Insurance Company A, can they “sell” my annuity to Insurance Company B like mortgage companies do? Can Insurance Company B sell it to other companies?</em> </h3>



<p>A: No.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-q-if-i-already-have-a-structured-settlement-is-there-anything-i-can-do-to-make-it-safer"><em>Q: If I already have a structured settlement, is there anything I can do to make it “safer?”</em> </h3>



<p>A: No. The settlement annuities are so well capitalized and reserved at the highest levels, we believe they are as safe as they can possibly be. Regulatory agencies and state insurance departments have dramatically increased the reserve levels to help ensure the safety of annuities.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-q-is-it-possible-to-split-annuities-among-different-companies-to-spread-risk-would-that-also-help-to-keep-the-annuity-amount-under-the-maximum-coverage-provided-by-the-nc-guaranty-fund"><em>Q: Is it possible to “split” annuities among different companies to spread risk? Would that also help to keep the annuity amount “under” the maximum coverage provided by the NC Guaranty Fund?</em></h3>



<p>A: Yes, it is possible to “split” the settlement amount into different life companies for the structured settlement in order to stay under the $300,000 limit for the North Carolina Guaranty Association Act.</p>



<h3 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-q-historically-have-any-other-annuity-companies-failed-and-left-customers-with-nothing"><em>Q: Historically, have any other annuity companies failed and left customers with nothing?</em></h3>



<p>A: Not in the settlement industry. Executive Life was the only carrier writing settlement annuities (back in the late 80’s and early 90’s) that went into receivership. When they went into receivership the courts treated settlement recipients at a higher level since their money with Executive Life was “Settlement” money, not a traditional investment. The courts instructed Executive and the assignment companies to pay 100% on the dollar for the remainder of all policies. It was unfortunate that we had to experience that event (the Executive collapse) but it did show that the safety systems in place had the support of the court(s) and allowed settlement recipients to be made whole without interruption.<br><br><strong>Answers from:</strong><br><br>Bryan Milner<br>Settlement Planner<br>Milner Plaintiff Services<br>an affiliate of Millennium Settlements<br>toll free: 877-212-9990<br>cell: 818-926-5100<br>fax: 818-302-1414</p>



<p><strong>Questions by:</strong><br><br>Christopher R. Nichols, Attorney<br>Nichols Law Firm<br>Raleigh, NC 27609<br>800-906-5984 (toll free)<br><a href="/">www.NicholsTrialLaw.com</a> and <a href="http://www.nctriallawblog.com/">www.nctriallawblog.com</a></p>
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>As I sat watching the AIG crisis unfold yesterday, I immediately started to think about the many structured settlements (annuities) that I have recommended over the years to my clients. Structures provide a great way to allow large sums of money to gain interest (tax free) for injured clients. I’m starting this blog entry to&hellip;</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As I sat watching the <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSHKG1567720080916">AIG crisis unfold yesterday</a>, I immediately started to think about the many structured settlements (annuities) that I have recommended over the years to my clients. Structures provide a great way to allow large sums of money to gain interest (tax free) for injured clients.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>I’m starting this blog entry to serve as a clearing house for information for personal injury lawyers seeking information to inform their clients about any risks now associated with using a structure.</strong> I should also say that there may not be any significant risk, but at this point I can’t find any definitive source that has analyzed the risks and benefits of structures in the economic and insurance crisis we may be facing.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">I’ll be updating this link as I find sources of information. If you have come here seeking information and have a helpful link, please post it in the comments section and we’ll add to the data base.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">11:09 AM September 16, 2008</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Update: 11:35 am</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Looks like some of the folks who broker structures are starting to jump on the vacuum of information for lawyers in this situation. <a href="http://www.4structures.com/">John Darer</a> at 4Structures has written an article this morning on the subject. He also gave me a call to discuss this. <a href="http://structuredsettlements.typepad.com/structured_settlements_4r/2008/09/aig-situation-u.html">LINK to STORY</a> John says, in part:</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">First, the AIG core insurance business (life, health, annuities) is not what has caused the impairment. AIG is a leader in many lines of insurance worldwide.The company operates globally on multiple silo business model. The toxic assets are confined to a single business unit.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Insurers must set claims reserves and actuary certification of asset liability matching is required by New York and most other states.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">At the time of this writing there has been no announcement of bankruptcy, but please note that Insurance regulators work to protect the interest of structured settlement annuitants. There is precedent. In re: Monarch Life bankruptcy creditors were not able to get at the structured settlement assets, even in the absence of secured creditor protections common in today’s structured settlements. Executive Life annuitants are still getting paid and that impairment happened in 1991.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So what this says to me is that the insurers are set up in such a way that if the bad debts begin to destroy certain aspects of the business, other sectors will still stand.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">John also discussed Qualified Assignments and how they add a second lawyer of protection. You can find a list of Annuity Companies and where they do their <a href="http://www.4structures.com/4structures/front/resources/template/resources_tools_annuity.jsp">Qualified Assignments here</a>.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">As i understand it, a qualified assignment and insurance agreement makes the client a secured creditor in the annuity contract. This would give priority in bankruptcy, I assume. (checking on that).</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>11:59 AM UPDATE</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">My friend <a href="http://www.msettlements-milner.com/">Bryan Milner</a> who is affiliated with Millennium Settlements has sent me an email and is working on an article for his website at the moment. I’ll update later when he is finished with his post.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">He pointed out that all of his products sold in NC have the protection of the <a href="http://www.nclifega.org/">NC Life & Health Guarantee Association</a>, which is essentially the equivalent of the FDIC for insurance in NC. From their website:&nbsp;</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">The North Carolina Life & Health Insurance Guaranty Association is a statutory entity created in 1974 when the North Carolina legislature enacted the first version of the North Carolina Life & Health Insurance Guaranty Association Act (a link to the Act can be found in the <strong>Additional Info</strong> section). The guaranty association is comprised of all insurers licensed to sell life insurance, accident and health insurance, and annuities in the state of North Carolina. In the event that a member insurer is found to be insolvent and is ordered to be liquidated by a court, the Guaranty Association Act enables the guaranty association to provide protection (up to the limits spelled out in the Act) to North Carolina residents who are holders of life and health insurance policies and individual annuities with the insolvent insurer. It also provides coverage for certificate holders of direct group policies or contracts and for unallocated annuity contracts.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">So what sort of coverage does the Guarantee Association have?</p>



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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">If your insurance company fails, the maximum amount of protection provided by the North Carolina guaranty association for each individual is $300,000 no matter how many policies you bought from your company. The maximum coverage for an unallocated annuity is $5,000,000 per contract owner.</p>
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<p class="wp-block-paragraph">And of course, the Guarantee Association only kicks in if the insurer is licensed in NC. How do you find out if they are?</p>



<h2 id="h-how-can-i-find-out-if-my-company-is-licensed-in-north-carolina" class="wp-block-heading">How can I find out if my company is licensed in North Carolina?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Call the North Carolina Insurance Department at 800.546.5664. The department maintains complete and current records of all insurance companies licensed to do business in the state.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>UPDATE 1:52 pm</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">CNN hasa pretty good Q&A on AIG and why it affects a lot of folks. It is certainly a “don’t panic” post, but seems to reflect the information posted above about how assets are held and also how Guarantee Associations can step in if the insurer fails.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/16/news/companies/aig_questions/index.htm?cnn=yes">CNN 5 Things you Need to Know About AIG</a></p>



<h2 id="h-q-i-have-insurance-through-aig-how-worried-should-i-be-about-the-problems-at-the-company" class="wp-block-heading">Q: I have insurance through AIG. How worried should I be about the problems at the company?</h2>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">At least in the short term, you probably don’t need to be worried at all. The problems are with the AIG holding company, not the individual insurance company subsidiaries that you do business with, according to a source with New York State’s insurance regulator.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Even if AIG’s holding company is forced to file for bankruptcy court protection, there’s a good chance that the subsidiaries will continue to operate normally with no disruption in claims payments. That has happened in the case of other insurance holding companies bankruptcies in the past, such as Conseco</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>UPDATE Sept 17, 2008 1:30 pm</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Well, looks like <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/16/news/companies/news_AIGsale.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2008091711">I bought myself some AIG</a>. And so did you, and you and you. We all own AIG now since the Federal Government now owns 80% of AIG. They are calling it a “bridge loan” but every “bridge loan” I’ve ever heard of did not have the lender taking over the company. And it looks like “we” have replaced the CEO of AIG with the former <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chicago-aig-allstate-liddy-sep17,0,1300765.story">CEO of Allstate</a>. Yikes.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Anyhow, some updates on what to do with structured settlements. My friend and structure expert, <a href="http://www.msettlements-milner.com/">Brian Milner</a>, worked his fingers to the bone yesterday putting together some documents to address the AIG Issues. You can find them at <a href="http://web2.customwebexpress.com/milner/UserFiles/File/Millennium%20AIG%20Q&A.pdf"><em>Millenium AIG Q&A</em></a> & <a href="http://web2.customwebexpress.com/milner/UserFiles/File/Protection%20for%20AIG%20Customer...pdf"><em>Protection for AIG Customers</em></a></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Bryan has included some really good infomation in there. I also sent him a Q & A late last night that I think my clients will be asking me. As soon as he gets all of it answered, I’ll post the response.</p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph"><strong>UPDATE Sept 18, 2008 10:00 am</strong></p>



<p class="wp-block-paragraph">Bryan has come through on the Q&A for me. This particular thread is getting pretty long, so I’m going to post it in a new thread which can be found at: <a href="/blog/q-a-for-lawyers/">Q & A for Lawyer’s Clients about Structured Settlements and the AIG Problem.</a></p>
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                <description><![CDATA[<p>I received a good question today and thought I would share my thoughts on the issue. The question concerns Medicaid and “med pay”. In NC, Medicaid gets 100% of med pay (first party) insurance proceeds. The problem is that quite often physicians and chiropractors often receive the med pay before the lawyer is involved. Or,&hellip;</p>
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<p>I received a good question today and thought I would share my thoughts on the issue. The question concerns Medicaid and “med pay”. In NC, Medicaid gets 100% of med pay (first party) insurance proceeds. The problem is that quite often physicians and chiropractors often receive the med pay before the lawyer is involved. Or, alternatively, the medpay is the only way for the client to receive certain non-Medicaid covered treatment.&nbsp;</p>



<p>So when you make a settlement which will not cover “all” the bills, how do you handle this scenario? I see two ways to go about making the disbursement. I can’t say if one or the other is “right” as I don’t think the statutes clearly cover this.</p>



<p>It should go like this, hypothetically:</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-scenario-1">Scenario 1</h2>



<p>Assume:</p>



<p>Med pay $2,000 (already paid to Chiro 1)</p>



<p>Settlement $10,000<br>Medicaid Lien: $5,000<br>Chiro 1: $1,000 (balance after med pay received of $2,000)<br>Chiro 2: $2,000 balance</p>



<p>So, now let’s apply the law and do the math:</p>



<p>$10,000 Settlement<br>-$3,333.33 Atty Fees<br>$6,666.66 Balance</p>



<p>1/3 of settlement is $3,333.33 for Medicaid purposes (Medicaid is limited to recovering 1/3 of settlement)</p>



<p>1/2 of Net is $3,333.33 for NCGS 44-49 lien purposes (Medical liens can only force the attorney to pay 1/2 of the Net settlement after attorney fees and it makes it easier when 1/2 of net and 1/3 are the same thing).</p>



<p>Medicaid shares pro-rata with unpaid medical providers within the 1/3.</p>



<p>$5,000 Medicaid<br>$1,000 Chiro 1<br>$2,000 chiro 2<br>$8,000 $3,333,3/$8,000 = 41.66% shares of the 1/3</p>



<p>Now we figure the prorata share for each lien holder using the percentage from above:</p>



<p>5,000 x 41.66% =$2,083.31<br>1,000 x 41.66% = $416.6<br>2,000 x 41.66% = 833.20</p>



<p>That’s how the 1/3 should be distributed BUT, since Medicaid is entitled to 100% of the medpay, they will get another $2,000 on top of the share above.</p>



<p>So:<br>$10,000 Settlement<br>-$3,333.33 Atty Fees<br>$6,666.66 Balance</p>



<p>-$2,083.31 Medicaid<br>-$416.6 Chiro 1<br>-833.20 Chiro 2<br>$3,333.50</p>



<p>-$2,000Medicaid Med pay<br>1,333.50 to Client</p>



<p><strong>But there appears to be another way to do this.</strong> In the first scenario above we prorated Medicaid’s full lien, then paid Medicaid the $2,000 from the remainder of the settlement.</p>



<p><strong>The second method would pay Medicaid the $2k medpay FIRST, then use the balance of the lien for proration purposes. That would give the other providers more money under pro-ration.</strong></p>



<p>The second method would look like this:</p>



<h2 class="wp-block-heading" id="h-scenario-2">Scenario 2</h2>



<p>$10,000 Settlement<br>-$3,333.33 Atty Fees<br>$6,666.66 Balance</p>



<p>1/3 of settlement is $3,333.33 for Medicaid purposes</p>



<p>1/2 of Net is $3,333.33 for 44-49 lien purposes (makes it easier when 1/2 of net and 1/3 are the same thing)</p>



<p>Medicaid shares pro-rata with unpaid medical providers within the 1/3. (We’ve already taken out the $2k Medicaid will receive)</p>



<p>$3,000 Medicaid lien<br>$1,000 Chiro 1<br>$2,000 chiro 2<br>$6,000 $3,333.33/$6,000 = 55.55% shares of the 1/3</p>



<p>Now we figure the prorata share for each lien holder using the percentage from above:</p>



<p>3,000 x 55.55% = $1,666.50<br>1,000 x 55.55% = $555.55<br>2,000 x 55.55% = $1111.11</p>



<p>Since Medicaid is entitled to 100% of the medpay, they will get another $2,000 on top of the share above.</p>



<p>So:<br>$10,000 Settlement<br>-$3,333.33 Atty Fees<br>$6,666.66 Balance</p>



<p>-$1,666.50 Medicaid<br>-$555.55 Chiro 1<br>-$1111.11 Chiro 2<br>$3,333.50</p>



<p>-$2,000 Medicaid (Med pay)<br>1,333.50 to Client</p>



<p><strong>Let’s compare scenarios now:</strong></p>



<p><strong>Scenario 1:</strong></p>



<p>$2,083.31 (Medicaid prorated share) + $2,000 for med pay = <strong>4,083.31 to Medicaid</strong><br>$ 416.6 Chiro 1<br>$ 833.20 Chiro 2</p>



<p><strong>Scenario 2:</strong></p>



<p>$1,666.50 (Medicaid prorated share) + $2,000 for med pay = <strong>3,666.50 to Medicaid</strong><br>-$555.55 Chiro 1<br>-$1111.11 Chiro 2</p>



<p><strong>So, technically, Scenario 2 is better for your client</strong>in my mind because Medicaid is paid in full with $3,666.50 and there is more money available for the doctors (who are not paid in full but might be more likely to accept the higher % payment as payment in full).</p>



<p>I don’t know if there is a right or wrong to his one. I’m sure Medicaid would prefer to be paid more, and they may have a point since technically, the Medpay should have gone to them in the first place.</p>



<p>–Chris Nichols<br><a href="/">www.NicholsTrialLaw.com</a></p>
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